T-Dub Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 4 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Yeah cut him, two new guards are needed. That'd be great but first we need to find the two new guards. Much easier said than done, particularly with how this team fares with drafting OL. I think there's a high chance Cody Ford is the starting LG next year, where he will demonstrate the difference between a good backup and a good starter. Quote
Jamie_B Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 6 minutes ago, T-Dub said: That'd be great but first we need to find the two new guards. Much easier said than done, particularly with how this team fares with drafting OL. I think there's a high chance Cody Ford is the starting LG next year, where he will demonstrate the difference between a good backup and a good starter. Ford is a FA, I doubt they are willing to pay him starter money, would they bring him back on backup money to start? Eh... Quote
T-Dub Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 9 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Ford is a FA, I doubt they are willing to pay him starter money, would they bring him back on backup money to start? Eh... I kinda hope so, he's not great but the ability to back up every spot other than center is worth a lot. Unless they can find an upgrade with that same versatility I'd keep him on the roster. Quote
Jamie_B Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, T-Dub said: I kinda hope so, he's not great but the ability to back up every spot other than center is worth a lot. Unless they can find an upgrade with that same versatility I'd keep him on the roster. me too, just not sure what the cost will be Quote
T-Dub Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 Just now, Jamie_B said: me too, just not sure what the cost will be Should be able to swing an incentive-based contract where he makes starter money when and if he starts. Quote
sparky151 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 6 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said: Hey, that's Mr Alex Cappa to you. Former pro-bowler and Super Bowl champion. 😎 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: Should be able to swing an incentive-based contract where he makes starter money when and if he starts. I doubt any other teams want Ford as their starter. He's made a niche for himself as a versatile backup lineman. That has value in the NFL. He's been a free agent a couple times already and got 1.3 mil from the team last year, then hit a $600K incentive for playing time. He deserves a raise but should still be below 3 mil for 2025. Quote
T-Dub Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Hey, that's Mr Alex Cappa to you. Former pro-bowler and Super Bowl champion. 😎 I knew he had a down year but did not expect him to win the Triple Crown of Suck. Even with the PFF margin of error factored in that's pretty damned bad. Saw they had the OL ranked 29th overall. Our tackles got better (at least for the half season we got out of OBjr) but the interior clogged the drain. Quote
HavePityPlease Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 17 hours ago, T-Dub said: the interior clogged the drain. 1 2 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 On 1/7/2025 at 5:36 PM, T-Dub said: I knew he had a down year but did not expect him to win the Triple Crown of Suck. Even with the PFF margin of error factored in that's pretty damned bad. Saw they had the OL ranked 29th overall. Our tackles got better (at least for the half season we got out of OBjr) but the interior clogged the drain. If only we were 29th. They have Bengals at 30th. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-offensive-line-rankings-2024 Quote
Le Tigre Posted January 9 Author Report Posted January 9 I see the Eagles found some use for Becton in their top-ranked unit. 1 Quote
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 Does anyone recall what Cappas rating was last season and what Volsons was in the last half of last season? Seems to me they were at least OK but they both fell off the cliff. Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 On 1/7/2025 at 1:01 PM, dex said: Because Cincinnati throws the ball more than any other team in the NFL, any guards they bring in should be pass pro guys first and foremost. I hope the new OL coach doesn't want his guards to be 6'7 like Pollock did. Easy to get underneath and bull-rush those super-tall guards. That is the major issue with both Cappa and Volson. Right.. Never liked the idea of guards above 6'5 6:4 would be ideal. You have players around the league at 6'6 now that are outstanding. But the leverage you spoke of would be helpful. 1 Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 On 1/7/2025 at 5:31 PM, sparky151 said: Hey, that's Mr Alex Cappa to you. Former pro-bowler and Super Bowl champion. 😎 Former..... 1 Quote
|High School Harry| Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 https://www.cincyjungle.com/2025/1/9/24337825/cincinnati-bengals-nfl-mock-draft-roundup Cincinnati Bengals NFL Mock Draft roundup CBS Sports — Princly Umanmielen - EDGE, Ole Miss Princely Umanmielen is twitched-up, flashing abrupt/quick in movements and a spin move that puts offensive tackles in a blender. He’s stronger than he looks, and his good hand usage and leg drive allow him to win early in the rep. The 33rd Team — Nic Scourton - DL, Texas A&M Cincinnati’s defense flipped the switch down the stretch, forcing 13 turnovers across the final five games as the Bengals ran the table for a fourth consecutive winning season. However, as a whole, this group was not good enough in 2024, particularly when you factor in how well Joe Burrow played this season. There are several needs to consider, but you’d be hard-pressed to go wrong boosting the pass rush in the AFC. Scourton has the kind of build on the edge that the Bengals have gravitated towards as a dense pass rusher who can win with power and he boasts a nice variety of rush counters at his disposal — making him a potential dangerous running mate for Trey Hendrickson. The Fantasy Life — Shavon Revel Jr. - CB, East Carolina Revel tore his ACL in practice in September. His draft evaluation will obviously hinge on his medicals. If he’s cleared, he has a shot at the top 20. The former track star is a 6-foot-3, long-levered boundary corner with speed to burn. Fox Sports — Kenneth Grant - DT, Michigan Even after drafting Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson a year ago, the Bengals might want to reinvest at the position should the ultra-talented Grant still be on the board. Cincinnati is tight against the cap and hoping to re-sign star wideout Tee Higgins. Starters B.J. Hill and Sheldon Rankins are each pending free agents. Pro Football Focus — Luther Burden III - WR, Missouri Burden was not as productive in 2024 as in 2023, but that is more an indictment of the offense as a whole than Burden. He is an elite after-the-catch receiver who can win as a flanker and in the slot. The Jermaine Burton experiment is not going well in Cincinnati, and pending free agent Tee Higginscould be elsewhere next season. The Bengals need plenty of help on the defensive line but could use another playmaker next to Ja’Marr Chase to remain a potent offense. Bleacher Report — Walter Nolen - DT, Ole Miss The Cincinnati Bengals desperately need help...any help...on the defensive side of the ball. Offensively, Joe Burrow and Co. played like contenders. The quarterback may have even been a strong MVP candidate had the other side of the ball not let him down throughout the season. All three levels need upgrades. The Bengals start along the defensive interior, where more push could certainly be helpful. Ole Miss’ Walter Nolen displays significant upside as a potential three-down interior defender. “The Bengals lost D.J. Reader last year in free agency and B.J. Hill is about to hit the open market at 30 years old,” Holder said. “So, the selection of a defensive tackle early makes sense for Cincinnati, and Nolen can be a disruptive player in both phases of the game to complement Trey Hendrickson.” Nolen emerged as a consensus All-American during his first season with the Rebels. His 13 tackles for loss or no gain led all Big Four defensive tackles during the regular season, per Pro Football Focus. At only 21 years old, a continued upward trajectory should be expected. Sporting News — Luther Burden III - WR, Missouri The Bengals may want to try to keep Tee Higgins along with extending Ja’Marr Chase with a lucrative contract, but Higgins might end up being too expensive. Burden can be a strong cheap contingency to play well off Chase as an immediate impact No. 2. USA Today — Shavon Revel Jr. - CB, East Carolina Pirates Outside of NFL sack king Trey Hendrickson, the Bengals don’t have many building blocks on a defense that came undone this past season. So long as he’s on track with his recovery from a torn anterior cruciate ligament suffered in September, Revel should catch the eye of the Bengals as a smothering coverage presence built for AFC North tussles. SB Nation — Mykel Williams - EDGE, Georgia Bulldogs 1 Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 13 minutes ago, High School Harry said: https://www.cincyjungle.com/2025/1/9/24337825/cincinnati-bengals-nfl-mock-draft-roundup Cincinnati Bengals NFL Mock Draft roundup CBS Sports — Princly Umanmielen - EDGE, Ole Miss Princely Umanmielen is twitched-up, flashing abrupt/quick in movements and a spin move that puts offensive tackles in a blender. He’s stronger than he looks, and his good hand usage and leg drive allow him to win early in the rep. The 33rd Team — Nic Scourton - DL, Texas A&M Cincinnati’s defense flipped the switch down the stretch, forcing 13 turnovers across the final five games as the Bengals ran the table for a fourth consecutive winning season. However, as a whole, this group was not good enough in 2024, particularly when you factor in how well Joe Burrow played this season. There are several needs to consider, but you’d be hard-pressed to go wrong boosting the pass rush in the AFC. Scourton has the kind of build on the edge that the Bengals have gravitated towards as a dense pass rusher who can win with power and he boasts a nice variety of rush counters at his disposal — making him a potential dangerous running mate for Trey Hendrickson. The Fantasy Life — Shavon Revel Jr. - CB, East Carolina Revel tore his ACL in practice in September. His draft evaluation will obviously hinge on his medicals. If he’s cleared, he has a shot at the top 20. The former track star is a 6-foot-3, long-levered boundary corner with speed to burn. Fox Sports — Kenneth Grant - DT, Michigan Even after drafting Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson a year ago, the Bengals might want to reinvest at the position should the ultra-talented Grant still be on the board. Cincinnati is tight against the cap and hoping to re-sign star wideout Tee Higgins. Starters B.J. Hill and Sheldon Rankins are each pending free agents. Pro Football Focus — Luther Burden III - WR, Missouri Burden was not as productive in 2024 as in 2023, but that is more an indictment of the offense as a whole than Burden. He is an elite after-the-catch receiver who can win as a flanker and in the slot. The Jermaine Burton experiment is not going well in Cincinnati, and pending free agent Tee Higginscould be elsewhere next season. The Bengals need plenty of help on the defensive line but could use another playmaker next to Ja’Marr Chase to remain a potent offense. Bleacher Report — Walter Nolen - DT, Ole Miss The Cincinnati Bengals desperately need help...any help...on the defensive side of the ball. Offensively, Joe Burrow and Co. played like contenders. The quarterback may have even been a strong MVP candidate had the other side of the ball not let him down throughout the season. All three levels need upgrades. The Bengals start along the defensive interior, where more push could certainly be helpful. Ole Miss’ Walter Nolen displays significant upside as a potential three-down interior defender. “The Bengals lost D.J. Reader last year in free agency and B.J. Hill is about to hit the open market at 30 years old,” Holder said. “So, the selection of a defensive tackle early makes sense for Cincinnati, and Nolen can be a disruptive player in both phases of the game to complement Trey Hendrickson.” Nolen emerged as a consensus All-American during his first season with the Rebels. His 13 tackles for loss or no gain led all Big Four defensive tackles during the regular season, per Pro Football Focus. At only 21 years old, a continued upward trajectory should be expected. Sporting News — Luther Burden III - WR, Missouri The Bengals may want to try to keep Tee Higgins along with extending Ja’Marr Chase with a lucrative contract, but Higgins might end up being too expensive. Burden can be a strong cheap contingency to play well off Chase as an immediate impact No. 2. USA Today — Shavon Revel Jr. - CB, East Carolina Pirates Outside of NFL sack king Trey Hendrickson, the Bengals don’t have many building blocks on a defense that came undone this past season. So long as he’s on track with his recovery from a torn anterior cruciate ligament suffered in September, Revel should catch the eye of the Bengals as a smothering coverage presence built for AFC North tussles. SB Nation — Mykel Williams - EDGE, Georgia Bulldogs Grant n the first Ratledge in 2nd That's if they're even still on the board. Quote
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 I like the idea of Scrouton in the first , but if he struggles we know his nickname will be Scrotum 2 Quote
Jamie_B Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 I've also seen Notre Dame Cornerback Benjiman Morrison mocked to us Quote
T-Dub Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 The guy recovering from ACL surgery may be hard for them to resist 😆 Quote
AmishBengalFan Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 To date there have been no trades involving 2025 1st round selections, so the order as it stands now is: 1: TEN (3-14) SOS=0.522 2: CFT (3-14) SOS=0.536 3: NYG (3-14) SOS=0.554 4: NEP (4-13) SOS=0.471 5: JAX (4-13) SOS=0.478 6: LVR (4-13) SOS=0.540 7: NYJ (5-12) SOS=0.495 8: CAR (5-12) SOS=0.498 9: NOS (5-12) SOS=0.505 10: CHI (5-12) SOS=0.554 11: SFF (6-11) 12: DAL (7-10) 13: MIA (8-9) SOS=0.419 14: IND (8-9) SOS=0.457 15: ATL (8-9) SOS=0.519 16: ARI (8-9) SOS=0.536 17: CIN (9-8) 18: SEA (10-7) Playoff teams' selections are dependent on the round they exit the playoffs, and then use tiebreakers between them to determine their specific pick number. Wild Card losers select 19th-24th Divisional losers select 25th-28th Conference losers select 29th-30th Super Bowl loser 31st, winner 32nd Among the playoff teams, here is the relative tiebreak order.... higher teams in this list picks ahead of lower teams within their same pick group: (Updated thru Wild Card Game 5: WAS 23-20 TBB) +HOU (10-7) SOS=0.481 -TBB (10-7) SOS=0.502 << will draft 19th -DEN (10-7) SOS=0.502 << will draft 20th -PIT (10-7) SOS=0.502 << will draft 21st LAR (10-7) SOS=0.505 -LAC (11-6) SOS=0.467 -GBP (11-6) SOS=0.533 +WAS (12-5) SOS=0.436 +BAL (12-5) SOS=0.529 +BUF (13-4) +PHI (14-3) SOS=0.453 MIN (14-3) SOS=0.474 +KCC (15-2) SOS=0.488 +DET (15-2) SOS=0.516 - = Already lost in Wild Card round, will select 19th-24th +=Clinched berth in Divisional Round, will select 25th-32nd Note: DEN/PIT tie is broken by AFC tiebreakers. DEN "loses" that, so they select ahead of PIT. TBB similarly "loses" to both DEN/PIT on cross-conference tiebreakers, so TBB pick ahead of DEN/PIT, establishing the order as TBB-DEN-PIT if any of them select in the same round. 1 2 Quote
KA14_HOF Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 Most here probably already know this, but just in case... For each subsequent round, where teams with the same record were separated by SOS, the team that drafted first in that cluster drops to the bottom of the group in the next round, while all other teams move up one spot. So, for example, in the 1st Rd, you'll have: 13. Miami (8-9; 0.419) 14. Indianapolis (8-9; 0.457) 15. Atlanta (8-9; 0.519) 16. Arizona (8-9; 0.536) But in the 2nd Rd it'll be: 45. Indianapolis 46. Atlanta 47. Arizona 48. Miami And in the 3rd Rd it'll be: 77. New England (fr. Atlanta) 78. Arizona 79. Washington (fr. Miami) 80. Indianapolis Our selections will be 17, 49, 81, 117, 152 and 191. Not that I would trade beating Pittsburgh at all, but had we lost our final game to finish 8-9 with a SOS of 0.478, joining this pack of teams, our selections would've been 15, 46, 77, 116, 151 and 188. So 2 spots in the 1st Rd and 3 places in the 2nd Rd was the "price" of victory. (the later rounds are such a crapshoot, it almost doesn't matter) 2 Quote
AmishBengalFan Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 3 hours ago, KA14_HOF said: Not that I would trade beating Pittsburgh at all, but had we lost our final game to finish 8-9 .... 2 spots in the 1st Rd and 3 places in the 2nd Rd was the "price" of victory. 1 1 Quote
Griever Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 23 minutes ago, AmishBengalFan said: Is...is that an Equilibrium reference? Good flick Quote
dex Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 Really difficult to do a mock draft now since we don't know what positions/players the Bengals will be able to sign in free agency. 1 Quote
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