claptonrocks Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 18 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Jutst a bunch of names really. Seems like each year, there just isn’t that many “WOW!” ones popping up at you True that... The only players I see as your Wow plers may be Safety Starks and no one else,. 1 Quote
|BlackJesus| Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 7 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Dane Brugler had done a mock https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6060013/2025/01/15/nfl-mock-draft-2025-rounds-1-2-cam-ward-shedeur-sanders/ Those may recall that I declared Mykel Williams my first draft crush on here awhile back. So I would love this pick. Get Williams in Rd 1 and his teammate RG Ratledge in Rd 2. #DraftBulldogs 1 Quote
|BlackJesus| Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 DE Mykel Williams Highlights (#13) His arm length is insane and he uses those vines well. 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 4 hours ago, Le Tigre said: Just a bunch of names really. Seems like each year, there just isn’t that many “WOW!” ones popping up at you I don't follow college ball & with the way the hype machine gets going, anyone expecting a call on day one of the draft right now is Jimmy Bigtime and going to change the game forever. By April I may have a better picture on some of them, but aside from injuries or arrest record you really have to dig into the game tape to know the truth. I'm probably not going to do that until after the picks are made. I guess it's a little early this year but I might as well start repeating that none of these draft eligibles are jack shit, any one of them could be a bust and most won't be nearly as good as their agents would have us believe. They're all clueless rookies until they prove otherwise. 1 Quote
Le Tigre Posted January 18 Author Report Posted January 18 5 hours ago, T-Dub said: I don't follow college ball & with the way the hype machine gets going, anyone expecting a call on day one of the draft right now is Jimmy Bigtime and going to change the game forever. By April I may have a better picture on some of them, but aside from injuries or arrest record you really have to dig into the game tape to know the truth. I'm probably not going to do that until after the picks are made. I guess it's a little early this year but I might as well start repeating that none of these draft eligibles are jack shit, any one of them could be a bust and most won't be nearly as good as their agents would have us believe. They're all clueless rookies until they prove otherwise. With the advent of 365 days a year NFL, the yakkity yaks in the media have to be able to feed the masses with bread and circuses in order to retain audience. Every player with a pulse, is analyzed with a microscope. Whatever faults they may have, are covered over with “upside” and “ceilings”. Back when, very few knew anything about the incoming draft class. There certainly weren't any combines. Pro Days were only as much as the schools themselves permitted: which were not many. The Draft prep was essentially the Senior Bowl and scouting. It was a bigger crap shoot back then than now…but then again, there wasn’t the premise of “building through the draft”. It was an accentuation not a key ingredient. 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 In the old days, ala the 70s, teams were indeed built through the draft. There wasn't free agency at all, then plan B, then eventually real free agency. The draft also used to go a lot longer so you'd see someone listed as a 12th or 15th rounder. Overall, this isn't really a great draft year but the weaknesses are at QB and OT and WR. We're set there. It's a good draft for RBs and D-linemen. IMO the Bengals should remove a lot of deadwood and clear a lot of cap space. Then find some starters and role players in free agency so we don't have to draft particular positions. Then take the best players available (or more accurately the ones who add the most value to the team, considering positional value). 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 7 minutes ago, sparky151 said: In the old days, ala the 70s, teams were indeed built through the draft. There wasn't free agency at all, then plan B, then eventually real free agency. The draft also used to go a lot longer so you'd see someone listed as a 12th or 15th rounder. Overall, this isn't really a great draft year but the weaknesses are at QB and OT and WR. We're set there. It's a good draft for RBs and D-linemen. IMO the Bengals should remove a lot of deadwood and clear a lot of cap space. Then find some starters and role players in free agency so we don't have to draft particular positions. Then take the best players available (or more accurately the ones who add the most value to the team, considering positional value). I agree but this FO seems to treat cutting players under contract like it's some great tragedy. Quote
Le Tigre Posted January 18 Author Report Posted January 18 31 minutes ago, sparky151 said: In the old days, ala the 70s, teams were indeed built through the draft. There wasn't free agency at all, then plan B, then eventually real free agency. The draft also used to go a lot longer so you'd see someone listed as a 12th or 15th rounder. While agree as to the expanded draft; there were also no practice squads (“taxi squads”) were by and large non existent after the ‘60’s) The extra picks were primarily to fill camp spots as cannon fodder. Our 12th-round Tim Krumrie was a notable exception. And because there was no free agency, teams kept their base players much longer—often well into their 30’s. Drafted players had to be really good, simply to make the rosters 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 Yes, teams were mostly built through the draft. They could sometimes strike gold on the waiver wire, ie Johnny Unitas, but there was also more incentive to trade for established players to fill gaps. Paul Brown made a lot of trades, much more so than Duke Tobin does. 1 Quote
Shebengal Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 7 hours ago, Le Tigre said: While agree as to the expanded draft; there were also no practice squads (“taxi squads”) were by and large non existent after the ‘60’s) Funny. My son brought this term up today in connection with his fantasy league. So then my husband felt compelled to explain the origin of that term to him….again. 1 Quote
Le Tigre Posted January 19 Author Report Posted January 19 38 minutes ago, Shebengal said: Funny. My son brought this term up today in connection with his fantasy league. So then my husband felt compelled to explain the origin of that term to him….again. The NFl origin of roster sizes was varied…and essentially…wide open spaces. It wasn’t until the advent of the AFL—which did have set roster numbers—did the NFL change to follow suit. But the heyday of the “Taxi Squads” was going on strong during the ‘70’s 1 Quote
Cricket Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 10 hours ago, BlackJesus said: As of January 19 ... Browns with Abdul Carter AND Garrett. 😵💫 Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Cricket said: Browns with Abdul Carter AND Garrett. 😵💫 Would be a great combo. Wouldn't surprise me to see him go 1st in the draft. Tennessee needs a QB though 1 Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 12 hours ago, BlackJesus said: As of January 19 ... Raiders f acting Sanders may bring eon with him. Good ir bad thing? Im not high on him but the need may be to great for Mark Davis to pass on. Quote
|High School Harry| Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 What Notre Dame players is Golden Al bringing with him? Quote
texbengal Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Big Malaki Starks fan here. Really smart player, playmaker. Team leader. Not sure on Mykiel Williams but I was kinda meh on Nolan Smith and he’s looked good so far. Eagles D is UGA North. Davis, Smith, Dean, Carter, Ringo… 1 Quote
UncleEarl Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 On 1/18/2025 at 1:11 PM, Le Tigre said: While agree as to the expanded draft; there were also no practice squads (“taxi squads”) were by and large non existent after the ‘60’s) The extra picks were primarily to fill camp spots as cannon fodder. Our 12th-round Tim Krumrie was a notable exception. And because there was no free agency, teams kept their base players much longer—often well into their 30’s. Drafted players had to be really good, simply to make the rosters In the old days veterans also stuck together and rookies were treated like crap. Not just in football. Today players are a bit smarter and are looking for people to help them win and most players embrace rookies and help coach them up, if they'll listen. (Burton) 1 Quote
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 On 1/17/2025 at 6:20 PM, Jamie_B said: Dane Brugler had done a mock https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6060013/2025/01/15/nfl-mock-draft-2025-rounds-1-2-cam-ward-shedeur-sanders/ Brugler is generally pretty accurate in his scouting versus the actual draft. Couple of things to note in his mock - he has several of the top tackles as tackle or guard - often with a comment like many scouts see them as guards. These guys could be good picks at our spot at 1 in that they could start at guard and either eventually move to tackle or be a valid tackle backup. mothers note is Nic Scrouten he has a second rounder , his comment being most scouts have a second round grade on him. Meanwhile most other sites have him in round one and often in the top 20. Quote
Cricket Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 14 minutes ago, Griever said: Would like bruiser to compliment Chase 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Griever said: Would like bruiser to compliment Chase Yeah, the Bengals passed at something like an 80+% rate on 4th down and 3 yards or less last year. We need to be able to run block and need a power runner who can convert short yardage. Was BenJarvis Green-Ellis the last time the Bengals were good in short yardage? 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: Yeah, the Bengals passed at something like an 80+% rate on 4th down and 3 yards or less last year. We need to be able to run block and need a power runner who can convert short yardage. Was BenJarvis Green-Ellis the last time the Bengals were good in short yardage? Whenever they're tempted to draft a RB they should use that pick on offensive lineman instead. Best thing they could do for the running game. They were closing in on 70/30 passing at one point. Might as well put an extra OT in the backfield at that rate. Quote
Inigo Montoya Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 59 minutes ago, T-Dub said: IWhenever they're tempted to draft a RB they should use that pick on offensive lineman instead. Best thing they could do for the running game. They were closing in on 70/30 passing at one point. Might as well put an extra OT in the backfield at that rate. Yet they’ve whiffed with almost every O-line pick since Zeitler. Definitely had a better track record picking RB. Nothing changes unless the defense improves. For all the talk about the O-line, even with multiple injuries, the offense finished 5th in DVOA and 6th in scoring. Clearly the defense was THE problem. Quote
T-Dub Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: Yet they’ve whiffed with almost every O-line pick since Zeitler. Definitely had a better track record picking RB. Nothing changes unless the defense improves. For all the talk about the O-line, even with multiple injuries, the offense finished 5th in DVOA and 6th in scoring. Clearly the defense was THE problem. That's mostly true but I don't think they can go into next year with Volson and Cappa as the starting guards & expect to win a championship. Quote
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