EnglishBengal Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think in hindsight, if Nugent had better kickoff stats then that seals it for me. The field position game is just as important as the field goal game. Also, if I recall after Shane Graham got the boot, Nuge came in and was CLUTCH for the first few games or so, then started getting inconsistent. Who's to say Brown wouldn't have gone the same way. He struggled with the Rams eventually after a clutch start. Just trying to paint a positive picture for myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'm 100% off the Nuge bandwagon. Injury concerns and pressure kick concerns. But as shown last year, when he starts to fall apart we can probably grab someone off the scrap heap and be alright. Injury concern I'll give you, but the only kicks I remember him missing were not pressure kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 You had two guys that were statistically about identical, and you got one of them. Why complain? Anti-OSU sentiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Dr Tarzan| Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Injury concern I'll give you, but the only kicks I remember him missing were not pressure kicks. Miami...killed Lewis' strategy of going for 3 get the ball back and get another 3 with <3 min to go. Half the people on this board wanted them to go for it on 4th. Half had no problem with ML's plan. I'm in the latter and Nuge screwed the pooch on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 This is a bit of a surprise. Brown certainly played well enough to keep his job. Nugent seems injury prone. I wouldn't be surprised if the team made offers to both players and said the first to accept got the job. It's what they did a few years ago with Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 This is a bit of a surprise. Brown certainly played well enough to keep his job. Nugent seems injury prone. I wouldn't be surprised if the team made offers to both players and said the first to accept got the job. It's what they did a few years ago with Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson. It was Dhani and Landon, but yea I was wondering if they'd maybe do the same thing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unleashed Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 This is a bit of a surprise. Brown certainly played well enough to keep his job. Nugent seems injury prone. I wouldn't be surprised if the team made offers to both players and said the first to accept got the job. It's what they did a few years ago with Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson. Pretty sure reedy said that's what they did on twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'd have been happy with either one. Nugent seems to have a slightly bigger leg in terms of getting touchbacks and making 50+ yarders, so I had a very slight preference for keeping him over Brown. Glad it worked out. Also, there are more than 32 NFL caliber kickers out there these days so even if Nugent gets hurt again, there should be some fine options sitting out there waiting by the phone for a call. Like Brown was last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'd have been happy with either one. Nugent seems to have a slightly bigger leg in terms of getting touchbacks and making 50+ yarders, so I had a very slight preference for keeping him over Brown. Glad it worked out. Also, there are more than 32 NFL caliber kickers out there these days so even if Nugent gets hurt again, there should be some fine options sitting out there waiting by the phone for a call. Like Brown was last year. Maybe Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'm really hoping that some time tomorrow we get the news that Andre has signed an extension. It could happen later, but just a gut feeling that if it is going to workout with Andre and the Bengals it will go down in the next 48 hours. His agent will have had a couple days to shop around and look for the best offer. I suspect he will then go back to the Bengals and say this is what it will take to keep him, and the Bengals will have to decide one way or the other. I'm starting to feel more and more confident in our chances as it sound like maybe the op free agents aren't quite getting the big money offers they we hoping to see and many will have to lower their expectations and take what they can get. I could be wrong on the timing however as there are some other very good OTs out there and Andre may be some other teams' plan B or plan C and maybe they will want him to wait to receive their best offer until their more coveted guys decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 The Bengals opted for age and familiarity Sunday by signing kicker Mike Nugent to a two-year deal, meaning that one of their most prominent players in last year's playoff run won't return. Mike Nugent Updated: 5:15 p.m. The Bengals kick-started free agency Sunday with their major special teams operation intact after they signed kicker Mike Nugent to a two-year deal that sets up Tuesday's official/unofficial opening for free agency. A chilling memo from the NFL office on Thursday warning teams of tampering apparently brought out the censor because the weekend turned into pretty much a news blackout as the Bengals seek to re-sign right tackle Andre Smith and several free agents off their top 10 defense. Teams were allowed to contact free agents Saturday, but not announce deals until Tuesday and the memo vaporized all but the smallest tidbits. The club's announcement of the Nugent deal appeared to be the only Bengals item surfacing as the weekend headed into Monday. But that didn't mean it wasn't significant and a big factor in Cincinnati's bid to repeat with the NFL's No. 1 special teams combined in the 10 major categories. Just ask Bengals special teams coach Darrin Simmons after the Nugent announcement came in the wake of Friday's five-year deals for Nugent's holder, punter Kevin Huber, and his long snapper, Clark Harris. The trio now heads into its fourth season together with Huber coming off the best punting season in club history, Harris riding a streak of 552 straight playable snaps, and Nugent saying he's 100 percent after missing the last month of the season with a strained calf that sidelined him the last month of the season. "To get three of those four guys back who are free agents, that's extremely important. It's so important in what we do," Simmons said. "The key to the kicking game is continuity and all three guys have been around and they're familiar with themselves and what we do. It's huge." The fourth guy is kicker Josh Brown, who may not be getting a contract from the Bengals but remains one of the most important players in club history after what happened back in December. After Nugent strained his kicking calf in a Dec. 5 practice and reinjured it two weeks later, Brown came off the street and won AFC Special Teams Player of the Month with an 11-for-12 effort on field goals that included the 43-yard winner in Pittsburgh with four seconds left that put the Bengals into the playoffs. But Nugent was apparently a better fit when it came to age, production and price. The price wasn't revealed, but Nugent, who turned 31 last week, has virtually the same career statistics as Brown as well as a slightly better percentage the past few years when it comes to touchbacks. Brown turns 34 next month and Simmons thinks he's proven he belongs. "There's no doubt in my mind that Josh Brown should be kicking in the league this year. He's one of the 32 best kickers out there," Simmons said. "I would have been happy with either one of them. What Josh did when he came in here and what he did for us, he hit us right where we needed it." Simmons never forgot about Nugent, a guy that has an 83.8 field goal percentage for the Bengals that is second only to Shayne Graham in team history during a three-year career that began when he was named the AFC Special Teams Player of the Week in his second game with the team. Nugent's five field goals lifted the Bengals to a 15-10 win over Baltimore in his first home game at Paul Brown Stadium in the 2010 home opener. "He was an alternate Pro Bowler in 2011 and if you look what he's done here, it's pretty impressive," Simmons said of that year Nugent set the Bengals season records for points with 132 and field goals with 33. "And this is home for him. That means a lot to guys like him and Kevin." Ten days before he got hurt last season; Nugent hit a 55-yarder against Oakland at PBS that tied the club record's long, another chip for a guy that was literally born into the Bengals. A Centerville, Ohio, product, Nugent's parents were season ticketholders and attended the Freezer Bowl at Riverfront Stadium two months before he was born. An Ohio State icon, Nugent again teams with the University of Cincinnati's Huber to give the Bengals specialists a local flavor. "It's great to be able to come back to a place where you love going to work every day," Nugent said. "That obviously means a lot and I really think we've got a good thing going with the specialists. We've been together a long time and that not only helps us, but it helps the team, too." When Nugent got hurt, he was 82.6 percent for the season (19-for-23 on field goals) and thought he could have been back for the Dec. 23 game in Pittsburgh. But he reinjured it and went on season-ending reserve for the second time in his three seasons here. His '10 season ended when he tore the ACL in his kicking knee following an onside kick. "I think it was a case where the mind wants to do more than the body can allow," Nugent said of trying to come back last year. "You get the competitive juices going, and that's how the mind works. I should have been more patient. I've just gone into this offseason working hard enough to make sure it doesn't happen again. I think for a guy that works as hard I do, that shouldn't happen and I'm trying to make sure it won't again." Nugent admitted it had been an offseason of uncertainty and anxiety when the season ended like it did. But he got lost in his workouts and says he got the calf back to 100 percent a few weeks after the season. "I had made up my mind that no matter what happens, I was going to be kicking somewhere," Nugent said. "I feel like I haven't reached my peak physically or mentally. I don't think age matters. I'm excited about the next step and that we can keep what we've got going." http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Bengals-go-into-free-agency-kicking/8c08358d-212e-4ea1-8479-ad870998acc9?campaign=cin:fanshare:twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think it's really cool to have a kicker and a punter from around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Wallace Gillberry re-signed on 3 year deal worth a little over 6 million bucks Very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Wallace Gillberry re-signed on 3 year deal worth a little over 6 million bucks Very nice Nice ! Now let's get Sims in the fold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigris Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Yes. That is great. Wonder if that means anything for Geathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Anti-OSU sentiment? Lol. On this site? Yes - I'm sure that's it. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocalBengalEd Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Wallace Gillberry re-signed on 3 year deal worth a little over 6 million bucks Very nice Hell yeah. Love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Yes. That is great. Wonder if that means anything for Geathers. Hard to say, but on a per-snap basis, Dingleberry delivered. Good for him to get a nice deal, given he was on the street for awhile. I could see Geathers getting a short deal, but not sure who else is in the mix for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unleashed Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 It's been a good few days for our guys. Glad to see we are trying to retain key guys instead of breaking the bank on other FA's. Let Andre realize he's not worth 9 mil a year and come back and we will be rolling into the draft in pretty good shape. Dline is going to be solid again. Awesome newsDidn't someone figure out gilberry had as many sacks per snap as jj watt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigris Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I love the three year deal. If Dunlap or MJ earns the new contract, or even both, then it's not like you're on the hook for 5 years with 3 guys who have substantial contracts. Well, with Geno I guess you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I love the three year deal. If Dunlap or MJ earns the new contract, or even both, then it's not like you're on the hook for 5 years with 3 guys who have substantial contracts. Well, with Geno I guess you are. I bet they sign just one de long term and draft their replacement. Like Joseph and hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 It's been a good few days for our guys. Glad to see we are trying to retain key guys instead of breaking the bank on other FA's. Let Andre realize he's not worth 9 mil a year and come back and we will be rolling into the draft in pretty good shape. Dline is going to be solid again. Awesome news Didn't someone figure out gilberry had as many sacks per snap as jj watt? He might have. Wallace G had a higher sack rate per snap than MJ93 which is why he was subbing in on passing downs later in the year. If this deal had been done a couple weeks ago I wonder if the team would have tagged Andre instead of MJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhfinks Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Bengals sign gilburryBengals sign gilburry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Sign at least one of Dunlap or MJ long term. Gillberry in 2014 could be at least a fringe starter if not better, you can draft another DE early next year if need be. Or if Dunlap and MJ both play decent this year but not great enough to both command huge deals we could maybe resign them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Wallace Gillberry re-signed on 3 year deal worth a little over 6 million bucks Very nice :headbang: IMO it was very important to get him on a multiyear deal to protect against MJ leaving. The Bengals are doing a lot of multiyear deals which is very unlike them. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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