Jupiter Fan Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 I could definitely live with this pick. We are going to get some solid players in the next few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 On further thought I'm not sure we altogether need to draft or sign a FA starter at RT We've got 3 dudes who have shown the potential to play the position. What we need is someone just good enough to push those 3, basically someone likely to snatch that last OT spot. That should be enough to make either Carman step it up, Jonah suck it up, or Collins shut the hell up. I think it's reasonable to expect one of those things to happen. Collins doesn't get paid otherwise, Jonah probably same because no one is hot to trade for a $13M backup LT, and Carman is very likely on the bubble or facing career backup status at best. Any middling rookie or even a journeyman FA. A tick or two above Ford's level could accomplish this, we don't even necessarily need to draft one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 So you want a day 3 project like Jake Witt or Nick Saldiveri? I'd rather trade up from 60 if Dawand falls to the mid 40s or later. Or we could have just traded down from 28 with one of the teams desperately trying to trade into the late first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: So you want a day 3 project like Jake Witt or Nick Saldiveri? I'd rather trade up from 60 if Dawand falls to the mid 40s or later. Or we could have just traded down from 28 with one of the teams desperately trying to trade into the late first. Mostly I want someone to put the guys we have now on notice. If that's a draft pick that projects to an eventual starter that would of course be even better but at minimum we need to make the current slackers and malcontents nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 I agree that we have too many "just a guy" types at tackle. But a day 3 pick would just be an addition to the crowd and probably not make them nervous. That's why I want Dawand. We already know that Garrett and Watt can overpower Jonah and run around Collins. Nobody is overpowering Jones and I doubt they can run around him before Joe gets it out. So I think from day 1 he's an upgrade at RT even with lots of work to do on his technique and body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, sparky151 said: I agree that we have too many "just a guy" types at tackle. But a day 3 pick would just be an addition to the crowd and probably not make them nervous. That's why I want Dawand. We already know that Garrett and Watt can overpower Jonah and run around Collins. Nobody is overpowering Jones and I doubt they can run around him before Joe gets it out. So I think from day 1 he's an upgrade at RT even with lots of work to do on his technique and body. I seriously doubt Jones makes it to us but that'd be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griever Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 hours ago, T-Dub said: I seriously doubt Jones makes it to us but that'd be great I really believe they’ll pass on him even if he is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 29, 2023 Report Share Posted April 29, 2023 59 minutes ago, spicoli said: I really believe they’ll pass on him even if he is there. I'm not so sure, the guy put up good tape and was a consensus first round pick until what, he stepped on a scale? Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 29, 2023 Report Share Posted April 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, T-Dub said: I'm not so sure, the guy put up good tape and was a consensus first round pick until what, he stepped on a scale? Am I missing something? He was never a consensus first round pick. Everybody got excited about one good day at the Sr Bowl and ran with it. Also, he’s never stepped on a scale during this process and his stock has taken a bit of a hit because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 29, 2023 Report Share Posted April 29, 2023 Rapien said this morning that the team would take Jones if he was there at 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 29, 2023 Report Share Posted April 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, spicoli said: He was never a consensus first round pick. Everybody got excited about one good day at the Sr Bowl and ran with it. Also, he’s never stepped on a scale during this process and his stock has taken a bit of a hit because of it. Did he bloat up in the last 4 months? Otherwise it's the same guy that's on tape. If not, put his ass on a treadmill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 29, 2023 Report Share Posted April 29, 2023 42 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Rapien said this morning that the team would take Jones if he was there at 60. Really hard to believe Rapien had no idea what he was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavePityPlease Posted April 29, 2023 Report Share Posted April 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, spicoli said: Really hard to believe Rapien had no idea what he was talking about. Yep, and he does that every year from what I've seen... goes on podcasts and so on and acts like everyone else is an idiot, laughing/grinning/shaking his head at their points... and of course HE is always wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted May 3, 2023 Report Share Posted May 3, 2023 A name a lot of us have probably forgotten about but one that remains intriguing to me - he was a UDFA last year that basically red-shirted due to injury but a lot of the gurus had mid-round grades on him. Will be curious to see if we hear any murmurings from coaches about Ben Brown this summer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 3, 2023 Report Share Posted May 3, 2023 Don't want to derail the draft thread any further but re: La'ell here - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/lael-collins-17403/ Not only is his contract heavily performance-based, there is (or was?) an option. Going to IR probably changes things & I kind of doubt they'd eat an almost $10m cap hit. Still, as a backup he's much more affordable, cheaper than Jonah. I think best case is Jonah looks OK but Carman looks better, then trade Jonah when Collins gets back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted May 3, 2023 Report Share Posted May 3, 2023 Read the reason Dewand Jones tumbled in draft was interviewing. Told GMs he'd rather play in the NBA . Issues with commitment ti the game were a big concern .. Update. He's denying it...😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 yeah, it wasn't very plausible that Jones would skip the NFL to try out for the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, spicoli said: That's cool but are they going to try him at RT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 38 minutes ago, T-Dub said: That's cool but are they going to try him at RT? Yeah I think that’s the plan. I doubt if Collins will be ready so it seems to be a competition between Williams and Carman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 If Carman wins the competition will Mike Brown let Jonah sit the bench and pay him $12 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 hour ago, westside bengal said: If Carman wins the competition will Mike Brown let Jonah sit the bench and pay him $12 million? Rather that than pay him money to not play for the Bengals, at least he would be quality depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 hour ago, westside bengal said: If Carman wins the competition will Mike Brown let Jonah sit the bench and pay him $12 million? I hope so, I'd like to think we're past that sunk cost sort of dumb shit now. They can sit him, or they can play him and potentially get JB's knee shredded, or they can trade him. Those are the choices, there's not an option where they get a refund. However I'm also not fully convinced there's going to be a competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 I think Jonah would have to completely fall apart to be released. He will ride the bench if he doesn’t start and back up both tackles. He’s better than D’ante Smith or Adeniji and Collins looks likely for the PUP list. I don’t think Ford will be a major factor unless he is a backup at guard instead of Scharping. Hill is the backup center. Overall, I still think they’re better than last year with the addition of Brown at LT. I’m not sure how it plays out on the other side but I expect it will be better than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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