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Now we are cooking with gasoline......WR

1-Chase is back and due for an extension

2-Higgins is up for a big contract

3-Boyd is probably gone

4-Irwin is maybe an RFA or UFA.....I can't tell. Spotrac has him as RFA, Over the cap UFA. Regardless he is probably back. Irwin could be off to Tennessee. It wouldn't surprise me if Callahan steals some of our fringe offense guys to help ease his offensive install. 

5-Jones and Yoshi are both back after flashing some but not enough to be counted on for much

6-Jackson-Pryor and Lassiter are all interesting and could seize an end-of-the-roster spot with a good camp

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_oGEDBZnU6LESfPLyD8apeXSKI-OJ4Z8IWYd7YcnAsM/edit?usp=sharing

Draft Order Cap WR Age Overall Receiving Run Block Snaps Starts 2023/Career stats Notes          
    Chase-Bengals 23 85.3 86.7 45.1 889 16/45 100-1216-12.2-7 2026 23% slot 6'0 201 4.39      
    Higgins-Bengals 25 72.1 70.9 66.8 573 11/53 42-656-15.6-5 2024 17% slot 6'4 219 4.59      
    Boyd-Bengals 29 59.5 59.1 30.4 824 13/77 67-667-10-2 2024 85% slot 6'2 203 4.58      
    Irwin-Bengals 28 57 60.8 31 429 5/7 25-316-12.6-1 2024 34% slot 6'2 200 4.59      
    Jones-Bengals 25 65.8 67.9 37.6 44 0/0 7-64-9.1-0 2027 70% slot 5'11 188 4.43 PR    
    Iosivas-Bengals 24 61.2 62.1 54.5 266 1/1 15-116-7.7-4 2027 17% slot 6'3 212 4.43 4 STs Tackles    
    Jackson-Bengals 24             Futures   6'2 195 4.25      
    Pryor-Bengals 26             Futures   5'11 189 4.37      
    Lassiter-Bengals 25             Futures   5'11 185 4.5      
Slot        
2   Crowder-Commanders 31 70.5 70.8 51.4 139 0/51 16-159-9.9-1   87% Slot 5'9 185 4.56   1yr 2  
2   Samuel-Commanders 28 69.7 70.5 49.5 571 13/58 62-613-9.9-4   70% Slot 5'11 195 4.31 OSU 3 yrs 34.5  
2   Pringle-Commanders 30 67.9 69 57.7 183 1/13 14-161-11.5-0   50% Slot 6'1 203 4.46      
    Jones-Bengals 25 65.8 67.9 37.6 44 0/0 7-64-9.1-0 2027 70% slot 5'11 188 4.43 PR    
    McKenzie-Colts 29 64.7 66.4 59.4 117 2/28 11-82-7.5-0   75% Slot 5'8 173 4.42 Suspended 1yr 1.2  
8   Miller-Falcons 27 64.4 63.4 63.7 267 0/8 11-161-14.6-2   48% Slot 5'9 174 4.39   1yr 1.2  
    Powell-Vikings 29 61.7 63.6 42.1 406 2/10 29-324-11.2-1   63% Slot 5'8 181 4.59      
    Agholor-Ravens 31 61.6 61.4 59.6 646 3/98 35-381-10.9-4   72% Slot 6'0 200 4.42   1yr 3.25  
  5 Humphrey-Broncos 26 60.4 58.8 65.5 428 8/16 13-162-12.5-3   64% Slot 6'4 225 4.75      
    Agnew-Jaguars 29 59.9 62,5 76.6 200 1/5 14-225-16.1-1   50% Slot 5'10 190 4.34 PR/KR 3yr 14.25  
    Boyd-Bengals 29 59.5 59.1 30.4 824 13/77 67-667-10-2   85% slot 6'2 203 4.58 2024    
7   Westbrook-Ikine-Titans 27 59.4 61.9 44.6 611 9/30 28-370-13.2-3   52% Slot 6'2 211 4.68   1yr 1.2  
    Watkins-Eagles 26 59.2 59.3 51.4 351 5/25 15-142-9.5-1   64% Slot 6'0 193 4.35   Rookie  
  3 Berrios-Dolphins 29 57.6 57.4 50.2 469 1/6 27-238-8.8-1   59% Slot 5'9 190 4.52   1yr 3.5  
    James-Chiefs 29 56.7 56.5 56.4 185 1/15 10-114-11.4-0   46% Slot 5'9 185 4.48      
9   Mooney-Bears 27 55.2 58.9 30.1 764 14/49 31-414-13.4-1   65% Slot 5'11 173 4.38   Rookie  
    Jones-Eagles 35 55 54.8 56.1 249 4/153 11-74-6.7-3   53% Slot 6'3 220 4.34      
  1 Kirkwood-Saints 30 52.4 53.8 46.9 236 4/6 5-37-7.4-1   48% Slot 6'3 210 4.5      
    Hardman-Chiefs 26 51.8 56.3 59.7 199 2/28 15-124-8.3-0   60% Slot 5'10 187 4.33   1yr 4  
6   Campbell-Giants 27 51.4 50.9 62.5 207 3/27 20-104-5.2-0   81% Slot 6'0 208 4.31 OSU, Akron HS 1 yr 4.7 KR
    Duvernay-Ravens 27 51.4 49.6 68.7 136 1/24 4-18-4.5-0   51% Slot 5'11 202 4.39      
    Zaccheaus-Eagles 27 51.1 51.8 44.5 510 1/24 10-164-16.4-2   68% Slot 5'8 193 4.54      
    Carter-Raiders 31 50.2 50.4 31.3 363 1/21 4-39-9.8-0   69% Slot 5'8 190 4.44 PR/KR    
5 4 Guyton-Chargers 27 49.6 52.3 30.6 255 3/14 10-89-8.9-1   56% Slot 6'1 212 4.39      
  6 Grant-Browns 32         0/8         IR-2 years    
Outside        
    Chase-Bengals 23 85.3 86.7 45.1 889 16/45 100-1216-12.2-7 2026 23% slot 6'0 201 4.39      
    Evans-Bucs 31 81.5 83 41.4 973 17/153 79-1255-15.9-13   29% Slot 6'5 231 4.53      
    Pittman-Colts 27 77.7 80 53.3 991 15/56 109-1152-10.6-4   25% Slot 6'4 223 4.52      
    Beckham-Ravens 32 75.4 77 44.8 519 6/97 35-565-16.1-3   12% Slot 5'11 200 4.43      
    Noah Brown 28 73 73.6 53.5 468 7/25 33-567-17.2-2   40% Slot 6'2 215 4.56      
    Higgins-Bengals 25 72.1 70.9 66.8 573 11/53 42-656-15.6-5 2024 17% slot 6'4 219 4.59      
    Ridley-Jaguars 29 71.4 72.2 50.2 992 17/52 76-1016-13.4-8   19% Slot 6'1 190 4.43      
    Reynolds-Lions 29 70.1 69.2 70.3 1003 13/53 40-608-15.2-5   36% Slot 6'3 194 4.52      
    Robinson-Rams 30 70 69.2 72 446 4/51 26-371-14.3-4   24% Slot 6'1 203 4.59      
  2 Davis-Bills 25 67.9 68.7 49.8 965 17/47 45-746-16.6-7   17% Slot 6'3 225 4.54      
1   Shenault-Panthers 25 67.4 66.6 61.2 93 0/26 10-60-6-0   37% Slot 6'1 220 4.58      
  1 Thomas-Saints 31 67.4 67.8 60.4 490 7/72 39-448-11.5-1   29% Slot 6'3 212 4.57      
3   Bourne-Patriots 29 67.2 69.7 46.5 371 5/25 37-406-11-4   30% Slot 6'1 205 4.68 ACL Tear    
4 6 Brown-Cardinals 27 67.1 68.1 48.3 781 14/65 51-574-11.3-4   20% Slot 5'9 180 4.27      
  3 Cracraft-Dolphins 30 66.7 68.1 51.7 208 1/2 9-121-13.4-1   25% Slot 6'0 198 4.62      
7   Moore-Titans 31 64.9 64 54.9 590 5/18 22-424-19.3-0   33% Slot 6'1 200 4.53   1y 1.3  
8   Hollins-Falcons 31 64.6 64.8 61 343 3/27 18-251-13.9-0   26% Slot 6'4 221 4.53 3 tackles 1y 2.5  
  3 Chosen-Dolphins 31 64.5 67.8 47.4 135 0/86 4-126-31.5-1   22% Slot 6'3 190 4.36      
8   Hodge-Falcons 29 62.4 64.9 50.5 370 4/7 14-232-16.6-0   26% Slot 5'11 183 4.63      
    McCloud-49ers 28 61.8 58.3 75.8 230 1/11 12-135-11.3-0   33% Slot 5'9 190 4.53      
    Iosivas-Bengals 24 61.2 62.1 54.5 266 1/1 15-116-7.7-4 2027 17% slot 6'3 212 4.43 4 STs Tackles    
    Conley-49ers 32 60.6 57.9 72.8 143 0/63 3-69-23-0   26% Slot 6'3 205 4.35      
1   Chark-Panthers 27 60 60 49.5 771 11/51 35-525-15-5   25% Slot 6'4 200 4.34      
    Irwin-Bengals 28 57 60.8 31 429 5/7 25-316-12.6-1 2024 34% slot 6'2 200 4.59      
9   St. Brown-Bears 28 55.2 56.4 44 211 2/28 5-62-12.4-0   30% Slot 6'5 214 4.48      
  3 Wilson-Dolphins 29 65.3 66.3 56.2 583 3/7 22-296-13.5-3   33% Slot 6'2 197 4.48      
  3 Claypool-Dolphins 26 55.1 58.1 47.5 198 0/32 4-26-6.5-0   26% Slot 6'4 238 4.42      
    Osborn-Vikings 27 53.9 54.3 51.7 821 12/30 48-540-11.3-3   35% Slot 5'11 203 4.48      
    Peoples-Jones-Lions 25 52.7 53.3 52.3 522 6/31 13-155-11.9-0   31% Slot 6'2 204 4.48      
3   Reagor-Patriots 25 51.4 53.5 33.5 309 1/25 7-138-19.7-0   13% Slot 5'11 197 4.47      
  2 Sherfield-Bills 28 51.1 52.8 38.6 499 1/10 11-86-7.8-1   39% Slot 6'1 205 4.45      
  7 Boykin-Stealers 28 50.9 52.3 53.8 131 0/25 3-17-5.7-0   11% Slot 6'4 220 4.42      
    Goodwin-Browns 33 50.5 49.5 58.9 136 0/44 4-67-16.8-0   37% Slot 5'9 185 4.27      
8   Jefferson-Falcons 28 50.1 51.9 46.5 621 4/35 20-209-10.5-0   40% Slot 6'1 200 4.39      
  6 Proche-Browns 28 50.1 49.7 56.6 59 1/1 NA   29% Slot 5'11 191 4.42      
6   Shepard-Giants 31 50.1 52.6 34.4 142 2/74 10-57-5.7-1   31% Slot 5'10 196 4.48      

 

Last year I was certain Hurst-Perrine and Bell would be back and Pratt would be gone. Each offseason I tend to foreclose on what will happen in an area and not be open to outside thoughts. This year I am digging in at WR. In a deep WR draft class I don't think we should draft one. Despite the absolute success of last year's class. I also am not really looking at outside WR free agents because I think Higgins is back. 

 

Here is how I have it. I think they feel burned by Bates and will shoot for a long-term deal with Higgins. I think they love Irwin and he can hedge things in the slot. I think they really like Yoshi and Jones but can't count on them yet. Jones is in the slot Yoshi is outside. 

 

WR1-Chase-Irwin-Jackson

WR2-Higgins on Franchise or Extension-Yoshi-Lassiter

Slot-FREE AGENT-Jones-Pryor

 

I don't see a place for a rookie.

 

In the slot, I would take the method I use in fantasy football. I like to spend in one position so I can go light on numbers and then throw a bunch of flyers at another position. Quality at one spot, quantity at another. If we have Chase and Higgins outside....we can find a slot starter through numbers. I would love to leverage the desire to play with Burrow to get some free agents with upside. We love young guys who were former high picks. I'd sign Pariss Campbell for a small non guaranteed deal, Add Scott Miller, an ohio guy who is still young and pair them with Irwin and Jones at the slot. I think one will claim the spots. 

 

Some thoughts

1-Samuel would be nice, Former OSU guy who is probably too pricy

2-McKenzie is interesting. Made league minimum last year....may have killed a bald eagle.....so that's a negative

3-Scotty Miller is a former BGSU Falcon with great speed. Could likely be had for league minimum with lots of upside still at just 27

4-Nelson Agholar is 31 but sometimes still good, if he came cheap there is some sort of veteran offset as well

5-Jamal Agnew is one of my favorites every year and isn't getting a ton of play in Jacksonville

6-Westbrook-Ikine-Just 27 and some decent stats but not great speed

7-Watkins-Ok but not special with the eagles. Only 26 with great speed

8-Berrios-Out of favor in Miami, has a weird Instagram thing going on, could be ok

9-Darnell Mooney-He was who I wanted before I started digging, probably too costly here but just 27 and a decent playmaker

10-Parris Campbell-Love this idea. Didn't do anything at NYG but solid 2 years ago in Indy.  He is only 27 as well. 

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Thanks for this. Charlie needs to get stronger but I’m still bullish on him, both as an outside threat and in the slot. Yoshi was a nice surprise and I like Irwin too… and the younger PS guys might have something. 
 

I wouldn’t be shocked if they pulled someone off the on sale rack to play some slot. Would love to see Boyd back but it’s a remote possibility as he’s looking for a decent last payday and it’s not gonna happen here, unless there’s a small FA market for him. 

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22 minutes ago, texbengal said:

Thanks for this. Charlie needs to get stronger but I’m still bullish on him, both as an outside threat and in the slot. Yoshi was a nice surprise and I like Irwin too… and the younger PS guys might have something. 
 

I wouldn’t be shocked if they pulled someone off the on sale rack to play some slot. Would love to see Boyd back but it’s a remote possibility as he’s looking for a decent last payday and it’s not gonna happen here, unless there’s a small FA market for him. 

 

Love the "sales rack" imagery.  I am bullish on Charlie too and if I remember correctly he played way more outside at Purdue than you would think. The other thing I didn't mention is that they may want to play Chase more and more in the slot. 

 

Stanley Morgan probably comes back as well. He was coached by Walters in college and we haven't added any of the veterans from the practice squad. 

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If you use the Bates model, the Bengals would tag Tee this year and then also draft his replacement (Bryan Thomas Jr?) in Rd 1 ... The same as they did by tagging Bates and then drafting Dax for his eventual replacement to learn under him for a year. 

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I'm low on Charlie as a WR ... but high on him as a KR and PR. 

 

I think Chase, Tee, and Yoshi make a good big 3 for this year's SB run - assuming no tag and trade. 

 

I don't see any FA WRs worth getting, so if Tee is traded they need to draft at least 2 WR to fill his void. 

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3 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

I'm low on Charlie as a WR ... but high on him as a KR and PR. 

 

I think Chase, Tee, and Yoshi make a good big 3 for this year's SB run - assuming no tag and trade. 

 

I don't see any FA WRs worth getting, so if Tee is traded they need to draft at least 2 WR to fill his void. 

If they were to tag and trade Tee I'd want Tennessee Rd1..pick 7.

Titans need him and Bengals could reap a big-time rookie for it .

Fuaga, Alt  Odunze Newton ....

Damn near whoever.

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4 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

If they were to tag and trade Tee I'd want Tennessee Rd1..pick 7.

 

Fuaga, Alt  Odunze Newton ....

 

They could take Alt at 7 and Thomas at 18 - RT/WR ... or Odunze at 7 and Guyton/Mims at 18 - WR/RT. 

 

Lots of good options and 2 guys on reasonable contracts for 4 years with future 5th year options. 

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1 hour ago, spicoli said:

No way in hell they’re getting the #7 overall pick in the draft for Tee. That’s not even close to being based in reality. 


Yeah, but there are many ways to even out the exchange and potentially make it palatable to each team.  Such as: we swap 1st-round picks and 2nd-round picks and they give us their 3rd-round pick…or, more preferably, we swap 1st-round picks and they give us their 2nd-round pick. 
 

if we want to get something for Tee, it’ll just take some creativity.  

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3 hours ago, spicoli said:

No way in hell they’re getting the #7 overall pick in the draft for Tee. That’s not even close to being based in reality. 

 

Which I find interesting considering Tee's stat line vs whichever line of straight zeroes posted by any WR pick that might come off the board in the top 10.  He's only 25 and would be the immediate WR1 on all but a handful of teams. Not potential, not in the right system, not when he learns to beat press coverage or a route tree or "gets up to NFL speed".  Proven production on a SB team that would immediately elevate any franchise he lands with.

 

But sure, why give up a magic draft bean for that?

 

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43 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Which I find interesting considering Tee's stat line vs whichever line of straight zeroes posted by any WR pick that might come off the board in the top 10.  He's only 25 and would be the immediate WR1 on all but a handful of teams. Not potential, not in the right system, not when he learns to beat press coverage or a route tree or "gets up to NFL speed".  Proven production on a SB team that would immediately elevate any franchise he lands with.

 

But sure, why give up a magic draft bean for that?

 

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Depends on the offer.

 

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Bengals missed their chance to fleece the Titans last year. They won't give up pick 7 for Tee. Last year they were begging us to trade our first round pick to them so they could take Levis. We could have had their 2nd and 3rd last year plus their 2nd this year. We wouldn't have Murphy but could have had Dawand Jones and Darnell Washington plus a good player with their early 2nd in 2024. 

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3 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

In the context of not being worth a 7th overall pick, which is kind of ridiculous when you think about it.  Some of these GMs would rather play a scratch-off ticket.

Yeah..

They could trade 1sts and cough up a

3rd..

I would think Callahan wants to get Tee.

I value him more than getting any type of high draft pick for Browning.

 

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15 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

If you use the Bates model, the Bengals would tag Tee this year and then also draft his replacement (Bryan Thomas Jr?) in Rd 1 ... The same as they did by taking Bates and then drafting Dax for his eventual replacement to learn under him for a year. 

 

If they draft a WR in the first round I will shoot somebody (probably myself). If they tag and trade Tee I'd do my best to resign Boyd and maybe go WR in the 5th or later. We df=rafted Jones and Yoshi for a reason, lets see what they have first before replacing them.

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1 hour ago, gupps said:

We df=rafted Jones and Yoshi for a reason, lets see what they have first before replacing them.

What they have…are later rounds “let’s see” types. The same type as going after another 5th round pick. 
 

Of course, they don’t jettison either after one season. But, so far, one is a part of first year on IR type with possible good return skills…and the other an occasional good catch variety…but not consistent go-to. 
 

Neither are Tee…or even Boyd…at this point. This will be the season for them to show something of value or become JAG’s 

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40 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

What they have…are later rounds “let’s see” types. The same type as going after another 5th round pick. 
 

Of course, they don’t jettison either after one season. But, so far, one is a part of first year on IR type with possible good return skills…and the other an occasional good catch variety…but not consistent go-to. 
 

Neither are Tee…or even Boyd…at this point. This will be the season for them to show something of value or become JAG’s 

 

And if we leave the 3rd WR spot open (while tagging Tee) it gives them more snaps to see if we need to address both the WR2 and WR3 spots next year.

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7 more days until:

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February 20: Franchise Tag date

This date is the first point that teams can re-sign or offer franchise tag offers to eligible players. The Franchise Tag is a one-year deal based on an average salary for a respective position. 

 

 

 

 

At which time you can pencil Tee Higgins in for $21,665,000.

 

 

 

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