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6 hours ago, Hooky said:

Have you ever heard of tax write-offs? You are right that nobody is treated equally under the law. But it's more based on class than race. More white people are killed by cops than blacks.

OK, why is it that when white people want to act like something doesn't matter, we use the absolute numbers, but when they want to denigrate they use percentages?  A black man in America is three times more likely to be arrested in any police encounter than a white man.  Whites and Blacks both use marijuana at the same rate but blacks are 4 times more likely to be incarcerated for the same crime.  Child Please!

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18 hours ago, CincyInDC said:

FUCK YOU I WON'T DRINK WHAT YOU TELL ME!!!  

FUCK YOU I WON'T DRINK WHAT YOU TELL ME!!!  

FUCK YOU I WON'T DRINK WHAT YOU TELL ME!!!  

MOTHERFUCKERRRRRR!

 

That song still makes me want to fight... and I am too old to fight.

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15 hours ago, Hooky said:

I would hope that God would bless somebody that's less self-serving and misguided. He wants to protest cops, so he is protesting the entire country. His career is over, so he wants attention. And other athletes are following his lead because the media has made it a cool thing to do. 

He is going to start as soon as he gains enough weight. 

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8 hours ago, kennethmw said:

OK, why is it that when white people want to act like something doesn't matter, we use the absolute numbers, but when they want to denigrate they use percentages?  A black man in America is three times more likely to be arrested in any police encounter than a white man.  Whites and Blacks both use marijuana at the same rate but blacks are 4 times more likely to be incarcerated for the same crime.  Child Please!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-cops-killed-white-men-conservatives-silent-article-1.2632965

Here you go, Kenny. 

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On 10/6/2016 at 10:29 AM, Hooky said:

Most of those incidents could've been avoided by better choices on both ends. Has there been any suggestions by any of these celebrities on how the victims could've avoided the situation? Since there are plenty of suggestons for increased police training and there's nothing wrong with that.

What the victims could have done? The people who got shot? The 12 year old who got shot... He should have made better choices.

Isn't this the same school of thought that says if you don't want to get raped, wear a burqua? I'm all for men not raping, nothing wrong with that, but has anyone suggested what women can do to not make men want to rape them? 

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On 10/6/2016 at 8:41 AM, WRAPradio said:

My question is this, Rick, do YOU stand every time you hear the national anthem?  When you're at home, at a Super Bowl party or in a bar?  Or do you just do it in a stadium where everyone else does, because everyone else does?

Also, what about this protest don't you like or agree with?

I'll wait...

I served in the US Navy. Of course, I always stood at attention and saluted. While in my civilian clothes, I always stood at attention and face the flag. I taught sixth grade for 36 years. I always stood at attention with my hand over my heart and said the pledge with my kids. I always scanned my classroom and corrected kids slouching or not putting their hand on their heart or not respecting the flag in the classroom. Now, of course, I could not correct students who wish not to stand during the Pledge of Allegiance.

I don't stand at home.

My mother survived a Nazi concentration camp. I know how wonderful America is.

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 I was watching MSNBC today. They were discussing why interest in the NFL is down. One talking head actually said because of Donald Trump. Really. 

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8 minutes ago, Rick said:

 I was watching MSNBC today. They were discussing why interest in the NFL is down. One talking head actually said because of Donald Trump. Really. 

What do you think of this Trump tape that has been released tonight?

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9 hours ago, Lucid said:

What do you think of this Trump tape that has been released tonight?

 

I'm not sure how his comments are a shock to anyone, so I can only assume this sort of awful shit is what attracts his true believers. 

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The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war. ~ Sydney J Harris

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Also why do I feel like the same people who are upset at this are the ones who were talking about how we need to fly the flag upside down (look up what that means) during Obama's term?

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Since this thread is a shitshow already, what would happen if Trump withdrew? Could someone come in at this point and conceivably put up a fight? Not that Trump has a shot anyways.

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2 hours ago, JC said:

Since this thread is a shitshow already, what would happen if Trump withdrew? Could someone come in at this point and conceivably put up a fight? Not that Trump has a shot anyways.

 

Yeah again, I don't see how this hurts him with the people who were already planning on voting for him.   Being a reprehensible walking pile of dogshit is "sticking it to the PC libtards" or whatever to the Trump faithful.  The reaction I've seen from that camp is that Bill Clinton was also kind of a POS and he is married to Hillary so uhhh something-something.

 

Dude's been an unapologetic scumbag his entire life, how is this a revelation to anyone?

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3 hours ago, JC said:

Since this thread is a shitshow already, what would happen if Trump withdrew? Could someone come in at this point and conceivably put up a fight? Not that Trump has a shot anyways.

Totally mess.

http://www.businessinsider.com/will-trump-quit-presidential-race-what-happens-2016-10

 

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This is what would happen if Donald Trump quit the presidential race

After a 2005 video of Donald Trump making salacious comments about women surfaced on Friday, some prominent Republicans are calling on their nominee to drop out of the race.

That would launch a series of events unprecedented in a presidential race.

And it wasn't the first time conservatives have suggested Trump's resignation.

In August, the right-leaning Wall Street Journal editorial board published a scathing op-ed calling on Trump to mature his campaign style or hand the nomination to his running mate, Mike Pence.

But the scandals have continued. In the new, vulgar video, published by The Washington Post on Friday, Trump discussed trying to "f---" a married woman and wanting to kiss an actress he was about to appear with on "Days of Our Lives."

"And when you're a star they let you do it," Trump continued. "You can do anything. ... Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything."

Republicans all the way up to the chairman of the National Committee, Reince Priebus, condemned Trump for his comments. And then some started asking him to step aside. Top GOP Sen. Mark Kirk of Illinois said Trump "should drop out," and the RNC "should engage rules for emergency replacement."

"In a campaign cycle that has been nothing but a race to the bottom — at such a critical moment for our nation — and with so many who have tried to be respectful of a record primary vote, the time has come for Governor Pence to lead the ticket," former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman told the Salt Lake Tribune a week after finally endorsing Trump.

Three-term Republican Governor of New York George Pataki tweeted: "[Trump's] campaign is a poisonous mix of bigotry and ignorance. Enough! He needs to step down."

A.J. Spiker, a former Iowa GOP chair and adviser to Sen. Rand Paul's PAC, said Trump was "unfit for public office." "Donald Trump should resign as the Republican nominee for president," he tweeted.

So what would happen in the extremely unlikely scenario that Trump quit the race? We took a look.

Can Trump give Pence the nomination?
Whether Trump was hypothetically forced out or decided to drop out, a messy transition would ensue.

"I don't think he's going to step aside," Alex Keyssar, a political historian at Harvard University, told Business Insider in August.

But the fact that people are even suggesting that Trump should, Keyssar said, has never happened before at the presidential level.

"This is the first time any such discussion has really occurred," he said.

If Trump did decide to quit, Pence would not automatically receive the Republican nomination, Ballotpedia's Charles Aull, an expert on the presidential race and its many rules, told Business Insider in August.

The GOP would have to go through a formal process.

How could the GOP replace Trump?
The Republican National Committee's rules say it can fill any candidate vacancies that occur because of "death, declination, or otherwise" by either reconvening all 2,472 delegates to vote at another convention, or by letting its 168-member body decide via majority vote.

In the latter scenario, each member would get a certain number of votes based on the population of the state they represent.

Aull said this is much more likely, because reconvening another convention would be a logistical nightmare. And at this point, we've probably run out of time for another one, anyway.

Who would replace him?
If this happened, Aull said, choosing Pence would be the least controversial option (as opposed to former presidential nominees Gov. John Kasich or Sen. Ted Cruz), because he was already approved by Trump and chosen at the convention.

This choice could give some Republicans a sense of relief, Keyssar said, encouraging some voters who don't want to vote for the candidates from either party a reason to cast their ballots on Election Day instead of staying home.

Could the RNC say, 'You're Fired'?
A small subset of people have called for the RNC to use an extreme interpretation of the phrase "or otherwise" in the rules for replacing a candidate as a way to forcibly remove Trump from the nomination.

The RNC could also rewrite its rules to force him out, which would take even more time. That's pretty unlikely.

It could be the only way to get Trump off the ticket, though, since most presidential nominees don't simply drop out, Keyssar said.

"I think it's usually the case that you can assume that people who run for an office actually want to hold the office," he said. "They would not step aside, especially with the presidency. It's fulfilling their lifetime ambition."

If Trump didn't go willingly, he would probably sue the RNC if they use this "otherwise" clause and take the nomination away from him. Then it would be up to the courts to decide whom the nominee should be.

Since we're getting into serious hypotheticals here: If Trump, or any candidate, committed a major crime, he or she could still legally run for president. There's nothing in the US Constitution banning alleged felons from running for office. Socialist presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs even received one-million votes from behind bars in 1920.

If Trump, or whoever, were then convicted, the vice president might have to take over (if the new Republican nominee won the White House, that is). Or maybe he could pardon himself — we really don't have precedent for that ludicrous scenario.

Is it too late to get rid of Trump?

A formal re-selection process would take at least a couple weeks, and time is ticking down to Election Day on November 8.

Most states have their own ballot deadlines for presidential elections so people casting absentee ballots can vote for the correct candidates. We've flown past those.

Not only are the ballots locked in with Trump's name on the ticket, but early absentee voting has already started in several states, and several more will join in the coming days. The election is 31 days from Friday.

That means that if the RNC does replace Trump, his name would still appear on absentee ballots, and likely on the ballots voters cast in person on Election Day — not the new nominee selected by the party.

This could be incredibly confusing for voters who would want to vote for Pence, but would have to select Trump on the ballot, political scientist Josh Putnam told The Washington Post.

Several ballot deadlines have already passed, and more are coming up this week.

Another state-specific hurdle would come up after the election.

When voters select a candidate, they are really telling members of the Electoral College in their state to vote for that candidate. In some states, the electors can choose whomever they want for president. Others require they vote for a party based on popular vote. And in a third set, electors are legally bound to vote for the name on the ballot.

It's this third category where the Republican Party would have to go to court to transfer the votes for Trump to the replacement. That would be even more time consuming and "messy."

What if Trump steps aside the day after the election?
We have a Constitution for that one.

The 20th Amendment says: "If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified."

In that case, Trump could effectively "choose" Pence to take over if the voters vote him into office and he then decides to step aside.

During the vice presidential debate on Tuesday, Google traffic soared for people searching "Pence for president." And a poll Friday pegged him as the way-too-early frontrunner for the nomination.

Polls and pundits agreed the Republican vice presidential nominee won the debate, and cast Trump's ticket in a softer, more reasonable light. A poll on Wednesday even showed he was the 2020 frontrunner for president.

For some voters, Keyssar said, replacing Trump could be a bad idea. Most of his supporters are loyal to him and could feel betrayed by the RNC if it attempted to replace him with someone else.

But for others, Pence may be seen as their savior — particularly after a day like Trump had Friday.

"If there was a replacement nominee, it's still possible that that replacement nominee could win the election," Aull said in August. "Because so many of the issues that the GOP has been having have sort of centered on Trump himself ... it would probably generate some excitement. People are bound to be excited if somebody like Pence stepped in.


 

 

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On 10/6/2016 at 8:41 AM, WRAPradio said:

My question is this, Rick, do YOU stand every time you hear the national anthem?  When you're at home, at a Super Bowl party or in a bar?  Or do you just do it in a stadium where everyone else does, because everyone else does?

I forgot to tell you, I always stood at attention in the military movie theaters before the movie while the anthem played.

You don't have to stand at attention at home when the colors are displayed or the anthem is playing on the TV or radio.  

When you are on a military base and taps is being played, you stand at attention facing the flag. Out at sea, you don't have to.

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I forgot to tell you, I always stood at attention in the military movie theaters before the movie while the anthem played.
You don't have to stand at attention at home when the colors are displayed or the anthem is playing on the TV or radio.  


Cool, thanks for the info, I didn't know that.


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Really couldn't care less about the so called protests.  Kneeling for a minute during the National Anthem then picking up your game check doesn't take courage and it isn't solving anything.  

Having washed up jocks on ESPN try to convince me this whole thing is important is equally as meaningless.

I have stopped watching NFL football (except some Bengals games) because the games are for the most part, boring and predictable. The players are so damn good you just dont see many thrilling plays in the NFL.

College games are more exciting and filled with more drama.  Watching Navy crush Houston's playoff dreams last night was epic. 

Zeke's TD run did bring a smIle to my face simply because I like OSU but plays like that are so rare and the games has less meaning for all concerned.

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On October 7, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Rick said:

I served in the US Navy. Of course, I always stood at attention and saluted. While in my civilian clothes, I always stood at attention and face the flag. I taught sixth grade for 36 years. I always stood at attention with my hand over my heart and said the pledge with my kids. I always scanned my classroom and corrected kids slouching or not putting their hand on their heart or not respecting the flag in the classroom. Now, of course, I could not correct students who wish not to stand during the Pledge of Allegiance.

I don't stand at home.

My mother survived a Nazi concentration camp. I know how wonderful America is.

 

On October 8, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Rick said:

I forgot to tell you, I always stood at attention in the military movie theaters before the movie while the anthem played.

You don't have to stand at attention at home when the colors are displayed or the anthem is playing on the TV or radio.  

When you are on a military base and taps is being played, you stand at attention facing the flag. Out at sea, you don't have to.

 

First, thank you for your service.  I have an honest question for you.  Based on your comment, I understand it's not required to stand for the national anthem when you're at home, but for something that we love and respect, shouldn't we show that same love and respect whether others are watching or not, even if it's not required? 

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Rick;  I'm grateful for your service and others who carried the responsibility even when it was not socially acceptable.   The horrors your mother must have faced are not even fathomable to me.   The US even had a targeted agenda towards them the first couple years before the war started and even a couple years into the war.   Disallowing a ship full of immigrants basically signed their death sentence.   Where were the protests then  ?  

By failing to remember that there were several ships with slaves docking every day since our founding,  we belittle their memory too.   If anyone wants to protest,  I support them and their right to do just that.   Someone needed to start the process of communication and one small gesture did just that.   Now that communication has been established,  we need to form an action.   Without action,  all that happened before will be meaningless.

Thanks again Rick for continuing the dialogue from which Colin sparked.  P. S.  I'm still looking for a suitable golf cart for rural lifestyle. 

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...and if anyone wants to join South Park's #wienersout campaign, we should do so at the next home game. 

Tell me that wouldn't make the national news... 

Point being, South Park and other TV shows are addressing an issue that has remained stagnant for some time.   

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What do you think about having your kids do the pledge of allegiance. I always thought it was super creepy and I don't really want my kid to do it. Not out of protest but out of making a kid who doesn't know what they are doing pledge allegiance to something they don't understand. I love this country and veterans and I am happy to pledge allegiance or whatever. It's the lack of an understanding and choice that gets me. Why I don't like church either. 

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