claptonrocks 342 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 26 minutes ago, spicoli said: There's a fairly decent chance IMO that Sewell and Smith go 2 and 3...no particular order. Who do we take if that's the case? I'm not sold on Rousseau. Trade back. Its so up in the air right now that whatever scenario we wind up in is probably not what Ill have in mind.. Lots of jumping up in draft would seem likely.. Who really knows?.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
|SF2| 4,180 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 10 hours ago, spicoli said: With Fields out of the top 5, there's a fairly decent chance IMO that Sewell and Smith could go 2 and 3...and in no particular order. Who do we take if that's the case? I'm not sold on Rousseau. Trade back. Why is Fields out of the top 5? Did I miss something? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BengalFanInTO 559 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 13 hours ago, spicoli said: With Fields out of the top 5, there's a fairly decent chance IMO that Sewell and Smith could go 2 and 3...and in no particular order. Who do we take if that's the case? I'm not sold on Rousseau. Trade back. Ideally, trade down. If not, Pitts, Chase or Parsons. I am really, really hoping the Bengals do something un-Bengal-like and go heavy and hard in free agency on the offensive line mitigating the need to draft there early. I really wish there was a high level DT or DE available this year as the defensive line needs a lot of work, too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
|SF2| 4,180 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 7 hours ago, spicoli said: Well not for sure but he's getting advice to go back to school for another year. I don't think people would be telling him that if they thought he still had a chance to be a top 5 pick. Jerry Jeudy was the 15th pick last year and guaranteed 15 million. No way he goes back. BEST case scenario is he goes to a somewhat decent organization and thrives like Mahomes or Herbert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 342 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, SF2 said: Jerry Jeudy was the 15th pick last year and guaranteed 15 million. No way he goes back. BEST case scenario is he goes to a somewhat decent organization and thrives like Mahomes or Herbert Hes not going back like the rest of the top 5 or 6 arent.. Money money money on the line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 342 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, spicoli said: Im not saying he won’t enter the draft...I’m saying he won’t be a top 5 pick. You dont know how GMs rate him so to say he wont makes no sense.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UncleEarl 680 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, claptonrocks said: You dont know how GMs rate him so to say he wont makes no sense.. Nor do you, so it makes as much sense as any other opinion here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 342 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Just now, UncleEarl said: Nor do you, so it makes as much sense as any other opinion here. Whoa..next drinks on me brutha. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UncleEarl 680 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, claptonrocks said: Whoa..next drinks on me brutha. Sensitive tonight. Hardly worthy of offense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JungleJohn 34 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 Judon, Ngakoue, Ingram, Dupree, Leonard Williams. Barrett and Clowney are out there. Barrett and Clowney may be the best followed by Williams. Could a possible solution be signing Moton or Thuney and then Barrett or Clowney, drafting Chase and taking a solid OL prosptect at 28? The OL will be significantly better, we will have the Edge we need and another prime WR to give Burrow an additional potentially great downfield target and the time for him operate along with blocking for Mixon/Gio. I don't think the question is whether we are going to improve. The question is how and how much. Will an Offensive or Defensive focus take us the furthest? I think this scenario does both with just 2 FAs and the top 2 picks and there is still the rest of the draft to find 2-3 players who can contribute. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gupps 124 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 I don't care if they sign Thuney or Scherff, I hope they go heavy with oline/defense in the draft. If they want speed at WR,they could wait til the later rounds or grab one in FA. I don't want Burrow smacked around like a pinata next year or watch the D give up 400 yards rushing again. What i want to happen: a) Draft Sewell (if there) b) Trade down a few slots and take 2nd best olineman and pick up an extra 3rd c) Parsons d) draft whatever WR/TE/shiney thing Mike has his eye on and then curse while throwing things at the TV Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spicoli 592 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 Why Bengals should avoid taking Sewell or any offensive lineman with fifth pick https://local12.com/sports/bengals/why-bengals-should-avoid-taking-sewell-or-any-offensive-lineman-with-fifth-pick-penei-cincinnati-nfl-draft-cedric-ogbuehi-billy-price Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I_C_Deadpeople 467 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 That is a pretty lame analysis. By the same token they should not draft a WR at 5 because of John Ross and a LB because of, well, all LB's every drafted. Fact is, the team has no option but to play the draft board as they lay it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I_C_Deadpeople 467 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Fields just declared Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie_B 3,274 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 On 1/16/2021 at 9:50 AM, spicoli said: Why Bengals should avoid taking Sewell or any offensive lineman with fifth pick https://local12.com/sports/bengals/why-bengals-should-avoid-taking-sewell-or-any-offensive-lineman-with-fifth-pick-penei-cincinnati-nfl-draft-cedric-ogbuehi-billy-price I would suggest that if the coaches have done alot of the scouting on players and who the team picks that under Taylor, Williams is the only pick on this list we should examine as the rest were taken by Marvin. And I completely disagree with him about Williams being more suited for guard, and his injuries this year were minor such that had it mattered he would have come back to play. Otherwise when he has played Willams has been our best linemen, even if that isnt saying much. But let's say for a moment he's right and Willams is better suited for guard, we would still need a LT. I think Willams who played more RT in college (IIRC) could move to RT and Sewell come in and play LT, then we could fill out the middle of the line much easier. Don't agree with the article at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelWeston 1,528 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 I think our top option is almost equal in trading back or Sewell. I think there are about 6 players that could go in that top 6 picks. 1. Trevor Lawrence 2. Zach Wilson 3. Justin Fields 4. Micah Parsons 5. Penei Sewell 6. Ja'Marr Chase Our 3 options are probably, 1. Sewell 2. Chase 3. Trade Back I don't like the idea of Chase because while I think he is great I think the difference in improvement at the position vs his replacement (Perriman-Conley) etc., and the passes a 3rd option will get is minimal. I do like the idea of Sewell but more and more people are coming out and saying he is actually not the top ranked lineman and it's Slater. This draft is deep at WR-T and DL and we could get a very quality guy in the mid to late first and pack on a ton of picks. Here are recent trade ups. 2011 Julio Jones Falcons 6th Browns 2011 26, 59,124 2012 22, 118 2012 RG3 Redskins 2012 2 Rams 2012 6, 39 2013 22 2014 2 2017 Patrick Mahomes Chiefs 2017 10 Bills 2017 22,27, 91 2018 Josh Rosen Cardinals 2018 10 Raiders 2018 15, 79, 152 2018 Josh Allen Bills 2018 7 Bucs 2018 12, 2 2nds, 255 2018 Sam Darnold Jets 2018 3 Colts 2018 6, 37, 49 2019 2nd 2019 Devin Bush Stealers 2019 10 Colts 2019 20, 52 2020 3rd At this point I think it's very likely Fields is there when we pick 5th. If that's the case the pick will be in huge demand. Eagles 6th Lions 7th Broncos 9th Niners 12th Pats 15th If all of those teams are battling to move up we might get a decent haul with a lot of studs still left. WR Smith and Waddle TE Pitts OL Slater, Darrisaw DL Barmore, Paye, Rosseau Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sox 183 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 ^Agreed. Especially since next years QB class appears to be much weaker, at least right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sea Ray 66 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 It's impossible to make the call of pick BPA vs trade unless we know what the trade offers are 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UncleEarl 680 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 19 minutes ago, Sea Ray said: It's impossible to make the call of pick BPA vs trade unless we know what the trade offers are Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelWeston 1,528 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 40 minutes ago, Sea Ray said: It's impossible to make the call of pick BPA vs trade unless we know what the trade offers are That's why I showed historical examples. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T-Dub 7,696 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 21 hours ago, Jamie_B said: And I completely disagree with him about Williams being more suited for guard, and his injuries this year were minor such that had it mattered he would have come back to play. Easy to say he could've played but the fact is that he didn't. He's been here 2 years and has been available for what, 10 games? I'm not against drafting Sewell but they have to get some kind of capable FA backup at OT. Counting on a rookie and a guy that's been hurt for twice as many games as he's played would be incredibly stupid. Letting Joe get hurt behind this dogshit OL was negligent enough, do it again behind some green as grass pair of OT's and we riot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
|SF2| 4,180 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Until FA is 3 weeks in all these scenarios are just for fun. If we picked up a decent RT/ LT in FA then we can start talking trade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 342 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 22 minutes ago, SF2 said: Until FA is 3 weeks in all these scenarios are just for fun. If we picked up a decent RT/ LT in FA then we can start talking trade. Correct..problem is the FA OTs are either declining with age (Donald Penn,Jason Peters type) Bobby Hart would be 3rd or 4th on this list! Lapham said he doubts seriously if they sign a guard as well.. Sooooo...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
|SF2| 4,180 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 4 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Correct..problem is the FA OTs are either declining with age (Donald Penn,Jason Peters type) Bobby Hart would be 3rd or 4th on this list! Lapham said he doubts seriously if they sign a guard as well.. Sooooo...... So I guess it’s another o lineman. We get a little better on offense so what does that mean? 15th rated offense? Couple that with a high 20s rated defense with 1 great player (Bates) and average at best at every other position and well, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. The media’s excitement for Joe Burrow has already faded with Herbert and now Fields probably going to a big media New York team and TD Jesus going to Urban Meyer led Jacksonville. Burrow, from a media / recent success standpoint is the 3rd most interesting QB in the division behind Baker and Jackson. He needs to start winning and that won’t be easy. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 342 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 26 minutes ago, SF2 said: So I guess it’s another o lineman. We get a little better on offense so what does that mean? 15th rated offense? Couple that with a high 20s rated defense with 1 great player (Bates) and average at best at every other position and well, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. The media’s excitement for Joe Burrow has already faded with Herbert and now Fields probably going to a big media New York team and TD Jesus going to Urban Meyer led Jacksonville. Burrow, from a media / recent success standpoint is the 3rd most interesting QB in the division behind Baker and Jackson. He needs to start winning and that won’t be easy. If thwre wad anyway to trade back ti get Darrishaw around 9 and then grab a prized guard in round two Id feel better about our situation there.. Probably have another 2nd rounder as well in the trade.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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