MichaelWeston Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 Hopefully you have all cooled down from the hot Punter talk Now for the biggest need on the team. -Hill is back and solid -Reader is a FA, he is very important but old -Tupou is a FA and maybe not so great -Carter is a not a FA but bad at sports -Tufele is back and solid -We added Travis Bell for this very situation. -Don't sleep on Dominique Davis but he's actually already 28 -Don't sleep on DeVonsha Maxwell who was on IR all year. He had 37.5 sacks in college https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_oGEDBZnU6LESfPLyD8apeXSKI-OJ4Z8IWYd7YcnAsM/edit?usp=sharing Draft Order Cap DL Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 23/Career stats Notes Reader-Bengals 30 82.2 75.3 79.1 59.8 535 4/96 34-2fl-7h-1s-1fr-1pd 421 B-106 A 6'3 335 Hill-Bengals 28 67.7 63.3 65.8 67.9 776 17/52 51-2fl-21h-4.5s-1fr-5pd 586 B - 114 OVT 6'3 311 Tupou-Bengals 30 52.1 50.3 55.7 60 287 1/23 19-1fl-1h 198B-88 A 6'3 340 Tufele-Bengals 25 45.5 44.7 54.3 60 96 0/2 11 86 B 6'3 305 Carter-Bengals 25 51.2 49.1 53.9 66.5 500 5/14 23-1fl-2h-1ff-1pd 426 B 6'4 290 Bell-Bengals 26 51.9 53.6 54.4 30 0/0 2 6'1 310 Davis-Bengals 28 6'3 326 Maxwell-Bengals 25 6'3 297 B 3 Hand-Dolphins 28 87.6 84.3 68.5 64.3 219 0/11 17-1fl-3h-1s-2pd 168B-26OVT 6'3 297 Jones-Chiefs 30 86.8 61.9 90 69.9 892 16/102 30-13fl-29h-10.5s-4pd 348B-268OVT-116O 6'6 310 2 Jones-Bills 32 82.9 74.6 80.9 60 240 7/133 16-4fl-5h-2.5s 131B 6'4 320 Hurst-Browns 29 81 76.5 75.9 67.5 302 0/17 22-4fl-5h-1.5s-1fr-3pd-1int 409B 6'4 303 Bettcher 21, Kovachs 17 10 Madubuike-Ravens 27 77.4 66.4 79.6 59.4 849 17/47 56-12fl-33h-13s-1ff 436B-252OVT 6'3 305 Franchised 7 Watts-Stealers 28 77.3 75.2 65.6 61.2 286 0/22 15-3h-.5s 126B-107OVT 6'5 307 Cox-Eagles 33 76.5 68.8 72.2 67 721 15/182 33-3fl-17h-5s-1fr-1ff-2pd 338B-274OVT 6'4 310 9 Williams-Seahawks 30 76.2 68.5 76.2 69 884 10/133 41-9fl-11h-4s-1pd 684B-128OVT 6'5 302 Bettcher 19 Captain Stewart-Colts 31 76.2 77.3 64.7 58.5 445 11/75 41-5fl-8h-.5s 406B 6'4 314 1 Roach-Saints 26 72.9 72.5 62.9 58.7 290 0/5 38-3fl-1h-3pd 187B-31A 6'3 290 3 Wilkins-Dolphins 28 71.8 69.5 70.5 64.5 968 17/77 65-10fl-23h-9s-2fr-1ff-2pd 614B-233 OVT 6'4 310 Hobby 15, 19-20 Captain Mulugheta Harris-Browns 33 70.8 68.7 75.3 59.8 462 7/71 28-6fl-3h-1.5s-1ff-5pd 389B 6'3 300 9 Edwards-Seahawks 30 68 59.8 78.4 60 393 1/33 21-5fl-6h-2s-1ff-1pd 263B-82OVT Hill-Bengals 28 67.7 63.3 65.8 67.9 776 17/52 51-2fl-21h-4.5s-1fr-5pd 586 B - 114 OVT 6'3 311 10 Urban-Ravens 33 63 60.9 58.5 62.8 309 3/34 22-5fl-6h-3s-1fr-2pd 107B-105Out 6'7 309 Gholston-Bucs 33 62.8 62.7 57.1 62.1 286 1/88 19-2pd 131B-87OVT 6'6 281 Duffner 2018 Rankins-Texans 30 62.7 39.1 74.7 69.1 673 15/66 37-9fl-10h-6s-1ff-1fr 365OVT-204B 6'2 305 4 Watkins-Cardinals 30 60.4 57.9 61.4 43 1/37 7-1fl-1h-1s-1pd 31 B 6'3 305 Butler-Raiders 30 60.1 39.4 70.2 64 526 0/13 28-8fl-9h-5s-4pd-1ff 373B-82A-62OVT 6'4 300 Joseph-Day-49ers 29 60.1 55.9 62.5 60 619 14/68 36-3fl-11h-3s 372B-202OVT 6'4 310 Captain 8 Gallimore-Cowboys 27 59.5 54.6 66.5 59.9 304 0/14 15-2fl-2h-1s-1pd 216B-43 OVT 6'2 302 Day-Vikings 30 59.4 61.4 54.2 60.2 125 1/4 8-1h-1fr 78B-35OVT 6'1 294 2 Ford-Bills 28 59.3 47.6 71.5 59.5 151 0/64 9-1fl-3h-1s 126B 5'11 310 7 Adams-Stealers 29 59 50.6 67 61.5 427 8/25 24-2fl-1pd-1ff 249B-153A 6'4 304 6 Robinson-Giants 29 58.7 60.6 52.8 63.9 515 13/74 62-6fl-1h 226B-201OVT-82Out 6'4 320 Wharton-Chiefs 26 58.3 47.7 67.2 57.8 488 1/3 21-2fl-5h-2s-1fr 312B 6'1 280 2 Settle-Bills 27 55.2 43.5 63.5 62.9 413 2/6 14-1fl-2h-1s 320B 6'3 313 8 Street-Falcons 27 55.1 57.7 59.5 47.3 267 6/10 18-1h-1s-1pd 195B-45 OVT 6'2 287 Betcher 21 Givens-49ers 27 54.3 43.7 65.6 61.6 427 1/13 22-3fl-4h-1.5s-1fr-1pd 320B-71OVT 6'1 285 Betcher 21 10 Woods-Jets 37 54 55.4 53 140 0/78 6-2fl-2h-1s 122B 6'4 309 7 Johnson-Titans 30 54 49 66 60 270 4/25 24-1h-1s 219B-45A 6'3 316 Blackson-Jaguars 31 53.8 66.1 48.5 57.8 215 0/42 13-2fl-3fr 126B-79OVT 6'4 305 Kinlaw-49ers 27 53 34.5 72.1 62.5 518 6/28 25-4fl-6h-3.5s-3pd 353B-113OVT 6'5 319 Betcher 21 Nichols-Raiders 28 51.6 49.4 54.7 63.9 616 17/83 48-4fl-2h-1.5s-1fr-1pd 492B-115OVT 6'4 313 Bryan-Colts 28 51.3 43.7 68.7 58.8 343 7/40 22-4fl-1h-2s-1ff 268B-66OVT 6'4 291 Hobby 18 Carter-Bengals 25 51.2 49.1 53.9 66.5 500 5/14 23-1fl-2h-1ff-1pd 426 B 6'4 290 Alualu-Lions 37 50.3 48.1 52.3 1.3 152 1/114 4 51B 6'3 304 1 Williams-Panthers 31 50 46.1 58.1 60.4 443 10/44 33-2fl-7h-1s 211B-180OV-48Out 6'1 295 Hobby 11-14 8 Huggins-Falcons 27 47.8 47 52.3 59.4 317 5/6 22-2h-1fr 216B-99A 6'3 305 Ridgeway-Texans 30 47.4 48.8 52.8 62 1/20 6 50B 6'3 305 6 Elliott-Browns 27 47.3 45.2 63.9 65.5 466 14/35 21-3fl-3h-2.5s 236B 6'2 290 5 4 Johnson-Chargers 30 45.7 48.4 49.3 60 641 17/55 46-2fl-1h-1ff-2pd 428B-115OV-95A 6'4 314 Tufele-Bengals 25 45.5 44.7 54.3 60 96 0/2 11 86 B 6'3 305 Guy-Patriots 34 45.5 47.3 44.9 63.5 522 12/122 38-1fl-1pd 239B-225OVT 6'4 315 CC Nnadi-Chiefs 28 41.4 42 51.8 53.7 507 17/86 29-1fl-1h-1s-1pd 6'1 317 7 Peko-Titans 31 38.6 34.4 57.1 61.2 342 10/13 22-2fl-2h-1pd 237B-53A 6'1 305 10 Thomas-Jets 28 37.1 32.2 62 60.6 483 3/33 31-7fl-6h-5s-1pd 335B-143OVT 6'2 256 2 Phillips-Bills 32 35.8 30 57.4 59.3 391 9/62 15-2fl-5h-2.5s-5pd 231B-124OVT 6'6 341 Anarumo 2017 10 Holmes-Jets 28 28.9 29.8 54 60 81 0/10 4-1fl-1h-1s 58B-21OVT 6'5 283 Lynch-Vikings 25 0/3 171B-82OVT 22 6'4 295 IR Nose Reader-Bengals 30 82.2 75.3 79.1 59.8 535 4/96 34-2fl-7h-1s-1fr-1pd 421B-106A 6'3 335 Jenkins-Raiders 35 61.2 55.6 66.7 59.1 595 17/47 61-4fl-2h-1s-1fr-4pd 468B-124A 6'3 327 Betcher 2018, Hobby 2019 Fatukasi-Jaguars 29 61 60.7 58.8 53.6 415 16/52 25-3fl-2h-1pd 201B-186 A 6'4 318 CC 5 4 Williams-Chargers 34 59.7 51 63.5 81.3 399 6/48 32-7fl-1h-1s-2ff 200A-187B 6'4 310 3 Davis-Dolphins 27 57.5 51.5 60.3 69.9 531 7/48 28-2fl-6h-.5s 306B-156A 6'7 335 Hobby 20 Tart-Texans 27 54 49 65.2 63.5 378 9/36 24-8fl-4h-1s 228B-143A 6'2 304 8 Hankins-Cowboys 32 53.6 52.4 62 65.4 387 14/134 27-2fl-3h-3s-2pd 213B-119A 6'3 320 Mone-Seahawks 29 52.7 48.9 60.9 73 271 3/8 25-2fl-1h-1pd 140A-114B 6'3 366 CC 2022-IR Gaines-Bucs 28 52.1 48.5 60.1 58.4 525 2/27 24-5h-1s-1fr 254B-186A 6'1 312 Tupou-Bengals 30 52.1 50.3 55.7 60 287 1/23 19-1fl-1h 198B-88 A 6'3 340 5 Purcell-Broncos 33 49.8 50.4 57.8 45.2 463 10/45 25-1fl-5h-1fr-3pd 369A-89B 6'3 328 9 Jones-Bears 28 49.3 47.4 52.5 62.8 740 17/69 49-10fl-17h-4.5s-4pd 460B-255A 6'3 309 4 Fotu-Cardinals 26 46.1 40.7 54 83.2 297 9/21 28-5fl-2h-2.5s 133A-112B-51OV 6'5 334 2 Joseph-Bills 36 43.3 33.3 58.2 75.2 189 0/170 12-1fl-1h-1s 111A-50B 6'4 329 This looks like a spot for a ton of investment -I would love to have Reader back but expect him to be guaranteed more elsewhere. -Madabuike-Williams-Wilkins might all be around the 20 million a year range. Wilkins played for Hobby at Clemson and in Miami -DaQuan Jones could be cheap. He didn't play much but has been impactful in the past. -Malcolm Roach has good PFF scores but not a ton of production, just 26 -DeShawn Williams sort of got his start here before disappearing....But he is back and was coached by Hobby at Clemson At Nose tackle-It's harder to tell who really is a nose. Reader saw 421 snaps in the B gap and 106 A. I just put anyone similar in this category. -Tart was an interesting one we put in a bid for in the season after he was released by Tennessee -Raekwon Davis was coached by Hobby, is 335 pounds only started 7 games for a Miami team in cap trouble. PFF scores aren't great -John Jenkins is 35 but was coached by Betcher in 18 and Hobby in 19. He could be a veteran rotational guy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 imo this is the most important position on Defense to fix, double dipping with one in FA and one in the draft would be ideal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 I think Tupou is an adequate backup NT. If Reader is unlikely to be back for the start of the season, I think we move on. The Bengals don't like giving 3rd contracts or signing players who are 30 or older. If DJ were healthy, an extension for a year or two might be in the cards. But older players don't get healthier. Zach Carter hasn't been very good and is a drop off from Hill. So I wouldn't be surprised if instead of re-signing Reader or going big for Jones or Madubuike, we sign a couple of mid-priced options, then draft one too. We can maybe get Sweat in round 2 but can most likely get Jenkins there. We could probably get 1 of Murphy or Newton in round 1 if we want to use a pick there. I wouldn't though. I'd just sign a couple of mid-priced vets, one more a pass rusher, and move on to other positions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 Even if we sign (which we should) a mid range RT and a few DT’s as noted above, I would still look to draft 2 OL and 2 DL in the first 4 rounds; maybe trade down the 2nd pick and grab another 3rd or 4th so we can also nab a RB, CB or TE. For me the time is now to get serious on the two lines. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 Even if we signed Madubuike (Ha!) I'd still sprint o the podium if Murphy is still there. I'd even double dip later just in case. like peeps said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, gupps said: Even if we signed Madubuike (Ha!) I'd still sprint o the podium if Murphy is still there. I'd even double dip later just in case. like peeps said. cut BJ Hill said a few cap bucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 52 minutes ago, High School Harry said: cut BJ Hill said a few cap bucks Yeah and Hendrickson too since we're penny pinching. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 On 2/20/2024 at 9:01 AM, Jamie_B said: imo this is the most important position on Defense to fix, double dipping with one in FA and one in the draft would be ideal Same as RT, cosigned. I'm about establishing a baseline with free agents, that's the floor. Maybe every so often the stars align and they get a real difference-maker on a reasonable deal but for the most part these guys are meant to fill out the roster, they're hovering around average. Then go find actual impact players in the draft. They've done pretty well with finding DL talent in both cases so I'm not too concerned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 14 hours ago, High School Harry said: cut BJ Hill said a few cap bucks I think he's OK - def not worth what he's getting paid. his upgrade is not on the roster, so we'd have to fill both interior positions if Reader is not back. But I don't think it's a stretch at all to say we can do better at his spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 IMO weakest position on the team so it needs a major upgrade. Would love Madubuike but I think he may get tagged... or he will get hella $ on the FA market. Suspect Wilkins may get tagged, too. A few mid-tier guys that look interesting are Hand, Tart, Rankins (30), Davis and Stewart (31). A mix of 3T and NT. A few of them are over 30, so I wouldn't give them long deals... a few years, max. Would love to have Reader back, but depends on health and also what they're looking for. He turns 30 this year, I think. Definitely think they will go DT on day one or two, assuming there are some available that are ranked highly when they pick. Given the lack of depth there, I suspect it'll be pick one, or two. Newton or Murphy... guys that can generate inside pressure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Cat said: I think he's OK - def not worth what he's getting paid. his upgrade is not on the roster, so we'd have to fill both interior positions if Reader is not back. But I don't think it's a stretch at all to say we can do better at his spot. I think he's a solid player - as part of a rotation, not playing all the snaps... and if Carter had showed something, he'd have taken some of those snaps, which I think would have made Hill more effective. But he hasn't, at least not yet... and I haven't seen anything that suggests he's improving. If Hill gets spelled more this fall, I think he'll be fine. The current depth pieces on the DL - Sample, Ossai, Murphy, and Carter - assuming they make the team, all need to step up this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 I think the Bengals want to leave the draft with one of the Longhorn DTs ... Murphy or Sweat. I could even see them taking them both in Rd 1 and 2 if available and all the sudden the position becomes one of the strongest on the team and is set for the next 5 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 I saw someplace predicting the Bengals would trade our 2nd rounder to Washington for Jonathan Allen. He's a good player but it's not very Bengal-like to trade for an expensive veteran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: I saw someplace predicting the Bengals would trade our 2nd rounder to Washington for Jonathan Allen. He's a good player but it's not very Bengal-like to trade for an expensive veteran. Doubt that happens. Better to ride with Murphy or Sweat if they lean that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 The Bengals and trading away picks at this point probably shouldn’t be in the same sentence. They may move up a little bit in the back end of the draft if there’s a guy they like - but they aren’t trading it for any player on a second contract. Id be interested to know if they’ve ever traded for a guy on a second contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 6 hours ago, BlackJesus said: I think the Bengals want to leave the draft with one of the Longhorn DTs ... Murphy or Sweat. I could even see them taking them both in Rd 1 and 2 if available and all the sudden the position becomes one of the strongest on the team and is set for the next 5 years. I don't share this optimism. It's the draft, odds are at least one of them will be average at best at the NFL level. Nothing against them individually just how it goes with draft picks. This scenario also means waiting until the 3rd round or later to draft OL. This team can't afford to do that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 8 minutes ago, T-Dub said: I don't share this optimism. It's the draft, odds are at least one of them will be average at best at the NFL level. Nothing against them individually just how it goes with draft picks. This scenario also means waiting until the 3rd round or later to draft OL. This team can't afford to do that. Id rather take my chances with 2 Olinemen first two rounds now. We need to add pieces that hopefully start quickly . OT and interior .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, claptonrocks said: We need to add pieces that hopefully start quickly . OT and interior .. They'll be lucky to get a capable day one starter at either position, let alone fill both. Drafting for starters rarely works out & less so for linemen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, T-Dub said: They'll be lucky to get a capable day one starter at either position, let alone fill both. Drafting for starters rarely works out & less so for linemen. I've seen a lot of rooks start at a capable level. It's worth the chance imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 9 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: I've seen a lot of rooks start at a capable level. It's worth the chance imo. Well yeah, they've got to draft guys they think are capable of starting & it does work out sometimes. Good teams do that before the depth chart fills up with blank spaces. Writing them in as starters before they're even on the team is where they run into trouble. When they don't work out or get hurt because they're not up to NFL conditions yet then they've got no Plan B and we start getting the videos & articles about how nice they are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 10 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Well yeah, they've got to draft guys they think are capable of starting & it does work out sometimes. Good teams do that before the depth chart fills up with blank spaces. Writing them in as starters before they're even on the team is where they run into trouble. When they don't work out or get hurt because they're not up to NFL conditions yet then they've got no Plan B and we start getting the videos & articles about how nice they are. I looked up the highest rated blocking RBsi In last year's draft class. Top 3.. 1.Hunter Leipke.....80..Cowboys 2.Bijan Robinson. .60..Falcons 2.Chase Brown .....60..Bengals Maybe we have a blocking back this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 5 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: I looked up the highest rated blocking RBsi In last year's draft class. Top 3.. 1.Hunter Leipke.....80..Cowboys 2.Bijan Robinson. .60..Falcons 2.Chase Brown .....60..Bengals Maybe we have a blocking back this season. I'm starting to think he should be starting TBH. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, T-Dub said: I'm starting to think he should be starting TBH. Agree.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker57 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 did any of us even notice C Brown blocked? i wonder out of how many snaps did Chase brown actually pass block? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 According to PFF he pas blocked 8 times and had a grade of 26.7. About as low as you can get 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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