MichaelWeston Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 36 minutes ago, spicoli said: Pollack is a high quality OL coach. When they hired him back everyone here was 100% onboard with it. He got a couple picks he didn’t want and now everyone is ready to get out the torches and pitchforks. All you’re really doing is showing your collective asses. No clue whatsoever. It's strange. Instead of celebrating that he finally has a starting first round RT, and the promise of both Lee and Kirkland people want to focus on the other guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 That must be why they finally cut him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 A human being was fired from their job today, nothing to celebrate. Did he deserve it, absolutely...should it be celebrated, I would say no. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 25 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: A human being was fired from their job today, nothing to celebrate. Did he deserve it, absolutely...should it be celebrated, I would say no. Eh.. the dude was slacking & didn't seem to give a shit. At least Jonah tried & rarely missed games. In either case I'm mostly glad they've been replaced by someone better. Besides which, Carman made what, $5-6 million over the last 4 years? I'll think he'll be ok. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 24 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: A human being was fired from their job today, nothing to celebrate. Did he deserve it, absolutely...should it be celebrated, I would say no. meh... If he was fired and going to have to lkive on the streets... yes, that sucks. Dude is rich, young and will probably get picked up by someone and have a chance again. I am happy he was fired from the team that I love.. good luck to him unless he goes to the stealers, stains, rats or cowboys. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 1 minute ago, T-Dub said: Eh.. the dude was slacking & didn't seem to give a shit. At least Jonah tried & rarely missed games. In either case I'm mostly glad they've been replaced by someone better. Besides which, Carman made what, $5-6 million over the last 4 years? I'll think he'll be ok. haha.. you hit enter before me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 3 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Eh.. the dude was slacking & didn't seem to give a shit. At least Jonah tried & rarely missed games. In either case I'm mostly glad they've been replaced by someone better. Besides which, Carman made what, $5-6 million over the last 4 years? I'll think he'll be ok. I don't think he doesn't care, I just think he's not that good. He's was over drafted, which is not his fault and moved around too much. If he was a 4th or 5th round pick no one would care, see D'Ante Smith. I'm not pocket watching Jackson or celebrating he got fired, but don't let me stop your party...it seems like some of you are jealous that he's made over 5 million dollars 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 14 minutes ago, fluhartz said: meh... If he was fired and going to have to lkive on the streets... yes, that sucks. Dude is rich, young and will probably get picked up by someone and have a chance again. I am happy he was fired from the team that I love.. good luck to him unless he goes to the stealers, stains, rats or cowboys. I doubt he gets picked up by another team, maybe as a practice squad player but his last tape vs NFL players was abysmal...the last few games he played were garbage snaps.. Carman is a disappointment, hopefully he gets a chance to redeem himself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 12 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: I don't think he doesn't care, I just think he's not that good. He's was over drafted, which is not his fault and moved around too much. If he was a 4th or 5th round pick no one would care, see D'Ante Smith. I'm not pocket watching Jackson or celebrating he got fired, but don't let me stop your party...it seems like some of you are jealous that he's made over 5 million dollars and some of you want to virtue signal about it like we're dancing on his grave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 2 hours ago, alleycat said: That must be why they finally cut him. They cut him every year and brought him back. There is no finally to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 16 hours ago, T-Dub said: Why can't I select both options 9 hours ago, T-Dub said: and some of you want to virtue signal about it like we're dancing on his grave Hit dogs will holla, his NFL is probably dead...but fuck him, amirite?? At the end of day, he's young man who failed...nothing to celebrate, atleast in my opinion.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Jersey Bengal Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 I always thought Carmen had talent but just couldn't harness it for some reason I definitely wanted him to succeed here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 5 minutes ago, New Jersey Bengal said: I always thought Carmen had talent but just couldn't harness it for some reason I definitely wanted him to succeed here Same TBH, he looked plenty capable in rare flashes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KA14_HOF Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 He'll always have Orchard Park. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPPT1974 Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 He did have potential but it just didn't cut it in Cincy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Orange Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 If Carman's financial discipline is anything like his professional and personal discipline (likely), he'll be broke by 30. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxBengal Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 15 hours ago, BlackJesus said: What stings is that the Bengals took Carman with pick 46 ... and All World Center Creed Humphrey went pick 63. 😭 This is another OL draftee that the distinguished OL coach Paul Alexander was pushing for the organization. I do not know why this team has / had him as a consultant or listens to him. He must have Mikey’s ear. This is the fourth recent high OL draft pick he had some influence on the Bengals selecting that was either cut or traded before the end of their rookie contract. Also, I seen he was at training camp, and the only way I would let him into the complex is for him to buy a ticket. The guy is worthless as a coach. Shows that it takes more to block defenses than it does knowing how to pour ketchup. The fact Pollack wanted Humphrey and didn’t get him is just ridiculous due to Carmen’s injury concern and how other people viewed Carmen’s potential. I wouldn’t judge Pollack based on Carman. This is all on Duke and the front office. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 10 hours ago, spicoli said: Pollack is a high quality OL coach. When they hired him back everyone here was 100% onboard with it. He got a couple picks he didn’t want and now everyone is ready to get out the torches and pitchforks. All you’re really doing is showing your collective asses. No clue whatsoever. He made his name as the Cowboys OL Coach where he had 3 first round picks, Tyron Smith, Zach Martin and Travis Frederick. Lael Collins who was a projected top 10 ten pick in the 1st round before the shooting investigation and Doug Free who had been with the Cowboys for 7 seasons before he showed up. Who has he developed so far in his time with the Bengals? Volson? Who I'd bet the majority here think is our weakest link on the OL. Orlando Brown, who was arguably the top FA OL in free agency, had his pass blocking grade go from 76.8 in 2022 with the Chiefs to 66.1 in 2023 with the Bengals. That's a pretty big drop off! 2021 and 2022 seasons Joe Burrow was the most sacked QB in the league being sacked 92 times and didn't make it through the 2023 season! And Joe Burrow has one of the quickest releases in the NFL! I guess all that happened because Pollack "got a couple picks he didn't want" as you say but were just showing our asses and have no clue! lolol Is he an upgrade over Paul Alexander? Probably but that's pretty low bar!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 9 hours ago, KA14_HOF said: He'll always have Orchard Park. If every game were played in near blizzard conditions...Jackson Carman could become an All-Pro. If they were to ever put an NFL franchise in Mount Rainier, Washington...Jackson Carman could end up in the Hall of Fame. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 It should be humbling for Carman to lose your job to Kirkland, an undrafted rookie free agent. But it probably won't be. He'll likely get claimed by some other team since there is a shortage of O-linemen in the NFL. Good luck to him with his new team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 11 hours ago, PatternMaster said: A human being was fired from their job today, nothing to celebrate. Did he deserve it, absolutely...should it be celebrated, I would say no. Agree in theory but in Carman's case I have a difficult time working up a lot of sympathy for a guy who made several millions of dollars for a job where he was off for half the year. Hope he invested wisely. And wonder what number Cleveland will give him by the end of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 If I or anyone on this board went into work Monday and were laid off would Jackson Carman give a shit? NO! I can't speak for anyone else but I don't have a $5-$6 million nest egg either and I'm 33 years older than he is. The guy has probably been coddled and given every advantage and special treatment since high school not to mention a free college education. I'll save my empathy for someone more deserving like homeless vets etc. etc. etc. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 There will always be an endless supply of overpaid entertainers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 2 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said: He made his name as the Cowboys OL Coach where he had 3 first round picks, Tyron Smith, Zach Martin and Travis Frederick. Lael Collins who was a projected top 10 ten pick in the 1st round before the shooting investigation and Doug Free who had been with the Cowboys for 7 seasons before he showed up. Who has he developed so far in his time with the Bengals? Volson? Who I'd bet the majority here think is our weakest link on the OL. Orlando Brown, who was arguably the top FA OL in free agency, had his pass blocking grade go from 76.8 in 2022 with the Chiefs to 66.1 in 2023 with the Bengals. That's a pretty big drop off! 2021 and 2022 seasons Joe Burrow was the most sacked QB in the league being sacked 92 times and didn't make it through the 2023 season! And Joe Burrow has one of the quickest releases in the NFL! I guess all that happened because Pollack "got a couple picks he didn't want" as you say but were just showing our asses and have no clue! lolol Is he an upgrade over Paul Alexander? Probably but that's pretty low bar!! Why are you blaming Frank Pollack for Orlando Brown’s drop off and not Orlando Brown himself? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 11 minutes ago, spicoli said: Why are you blaming Frank Pollack for Orlando Brown’s drop off and not Orlando Brown himself? I would point to every other FA linemen coming here and seeing their numbers drop off too. That has been covered around here. I know you know better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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