|SF2| Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: Lions haven't been especially successful the last couple of decades but Stafford has a much better arm than Dalton. That's why he gets more of a pass. He's had a 5000 yard, 40 TD season (when Calvin Johnson was still playing) while Dalton has never had anything like that despite having AJ Green. And that year they were 29th in rushing and their top rusher had 390 yards. Same year Ced Benson had over 1000. Stafford led the league in pass attempts but was 4th in passing yards. Their overall numbers are almost identical other than Andy has a much high win percentage. http://pfref.com/tiny/gfQkR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: I know some serious Lions fans, they seem to blame ownership there as much as anything. Their ownership has made changes over the years but they can't seem to find the right people (with some huge goofs like Matt Millen). Seems like their fans appreciate the effort to change but are frustrated that the change never works. They do for sure. Close friend of mine grew up in Detroit. However, the National media are silent. They spend all day trashing the Cowboys who have 54 more wins this century. I guess bashing a self made billionaire in Jerry is more fun than trashing an old woman born into wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Here's another tremendous Burrow piece putting his year in context - this one from 538: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-joe-burrow-the-most-efficient-college-qb-ever/?ex_cid=story-twitter Some of the highlights: Quote It has barely mattered what coverage a defense is in against Burrow. Burrow’s adjusted completion percentage of 82.5, which weights completions by air yards and excludes drops and throwaways, is the highest mark in the nine-season sample from the ESPN Stats & Information Group. (By comparison, starting major conference QBs over that same stretch recorded an average adjusted completion mark of 67.7 percent.) ESPN has tracked coverage splits the past two seasons, and Burrow’s completion marks receive top billing against man (72.0) and zone (77.6). ... Quote Few are better than Burrow at buying time or can tout more absurd on-the-run accuracy. “We had a hard time, obviously, corralling him back there,” said Oklahoma coach Lincoln Riley, perhaps referring to the Peach Bowl play in which Burrow scrambled out of the pocket, sprinted toward his sideline, avoided a tackle and completed a fadeaway 30-yard pass while getting drilled. “We’re certainly not the only ones that have.” When pressured, Burrow still completes 73.9 percent of his passes, a clip 9.5 percentage points better than any other player in the country and the top mark produced by any QB since at least 2011.4. He also has a 211.2 passer efficiency rating, the highest among qualified passers over that stretch, and has thrown 19 touchdowns, five clear of any other QB in a single season. ... Quote It should also be mentioned that Burrow’s team has been so destructive — with the Tigers winning by an average margin of 27.2 points — that it has limited his performance. Burrow has logged only 95 snaps in the fourth quarter or overtime, which ranks outside the top 125 QBs nationally. But even without as many dropbacks as he could have accumulated, Burrow is still outperforming almost every other quarterback since 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebengal Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Here's a nice article on Burrow: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/2020/01/10/lsu-quarterback-joe-burrow-potential-no-1-2020-nfl-draft-pick-cincinnati-bengals-a-humble-young-man/4423540002/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, Shebengal said: Here's a nice article on Burrow: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/2020/01/10/lsu-quarterback-joe-burrow-potential-no-1-2020-nfl-draft-pick-cincinnati-bengals-a-humble-young-man/4423540002/ Hopkins, from Athens, said he's never seen an athlete with Burrow's poise under duress. His final season in college has looked awfully similar to his final year at Athens, he said, something the statistics support. "His focus is unlike any quarterback I've ever seen," Hopkins said. "His ability to stand there on the spot and not panic, I've never seen anyone better. He's unbelievable." Arkley agreed, adding Burrow's quiet confidence and unflappable disposition wore off on his teammates. "He doesn't seem to have that gene, DNA code, whatever, that dictates to humans that it's time to get nervous or tight when the stakes get bigger," Arkley said. "Even as a sophomore in high school, his poise was off the charts." This is what I like the best, no crapping of pants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thezerawkid Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Hopkins, from Athens, said he's never seen an athlete with Burrow's poise under duress. His final season in college has looked awfully similar to his final year at Athens, he said, something the statistics support. "His focus is unlike any quarterback I've ever seen," Hopkins said. "His ability to stand there on the spot and not panic, I've never seen anyone better. He's unbelievable." Arkley agreed, adding Burrow's quiet confidence and unflappable disposition wore off on his teammates. "He doesn't seem to have that gene, DNA code, whatever, that dictates to humans that it's time to get nervous or tight when the stakes get bigger," Arkley said. "Even as a sophomore in high school, his poise was off the charts." This is what I like the best, no crapping of pants This is what I thought I could tell about his play, with the limited exposure I’ve had to him. What this means is that there will likely be a speed adjustment to the NFL, pretty much every player experiences it to lesser or greater degrees. I am confident his learning curve won’t be too severe given the sheer quality of opponent he found success against this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 this is another pretty well done piece on JB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibor75 Posted January 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 10:36 PM, SF2 said: He has only one more playoff loss than Matt Stafford who is 0-3. Funny how you never hear anyone bash the Lions or Stafford who have only 3 playoff appearances (losses) in 20 years. Not defending Dalton but you never hear the Lions or Stafford bashed relentlessly. Their team has absolutely sucked this century. Only the Browns have lost more games. The Bengals have 28 more wins than Detroit this century. Detroit has won only 35% of their games. Stafford is also winless in the playoffs, true His stats in 3 games: 4 TDs, 3 INTs, passer rating 87.8, 302 yards per game Dullton in 4 games: 1 TD, 6 INTs, passer rating 58, 218 yards per game No comparison. None. Bengal fans, stupidly ignoring Dullton's suckitude year after year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, tibor75 said: Stafford is also winless in the playoffs, true His stats in 3 games: 4 TDs, 3 INTs, passer rating 87.8, 302 yards per game Dullton in 4 games: 1 TD, 6 INTs, passer rating 58, 218 yards per game No comparison. None. Bengal fans, stupidly ignoring Dullton's suckitude year after year... he is most likely done being our QB... just fucking give it a rest.....JFK get on to hating Burrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibor75 Posted January 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, fluhartz said: he is most likely done being our QB... just fucking give it a rest.....JFK Three years too late. His sorry ass should have been sent out of town years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, tibor75 said: Three years too late. His sorry ass should have been sent out of town years ago. spoken like a true 13 year old.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thezerawkid Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 59 minutes ago, spicoli said: spoken like a true 13 year old.. It’s just his M.O. Get used to it or get that ignore button ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibor75 Posted January 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, spicoli said: spoken like a true 13 year old.. I'm not the one praising the worst opening day starter in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker57 Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 hours ago, tibor75 said: Three years too late. His sorry ass should have been sent out of town years ago. just like yours was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fluhartz Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 16 hours ago, tibor75 said: I'm not the one praising the worst opening day starter in the NFL. nobody is claiming he is freaking joe mantegna it's all in your head dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 The Doctor’s always impressive ability to draw acidity, never fails 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 22 hours ago, fluhartz said: he is most likely done being our QB... just fucking give it a rest.....JFK Speaking of which, ,rumor across the interwebz says Bill Belichick has a twinkle in his eye for Andy Dalton. Assuming this is true and a trade can be worked out, what do you think we could get? I'd ask for a third and maybe a conditional pick in 21 dependent upon playoff appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker57 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, gupps said: Speaking of which, ,rumor across the interwebz says Bill Belichick has a twinkle in his eye for Andy Dalton. Assuming this is true and a trade can be worked out, what do you think we could get? I'd ask for a third and maybe a conditional pick in 21 dependent upon playoff appearances. yes playoff appearances... not wins lol🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, gupps said: Speaking of which, ,rumor across the interwebz says Bill Belichick has a twinkle in his eye for Andy Dalton. Assuming this is true and a trade can be worked out, what do you think we could get? I'd ask for a third and maybe a conditional pick in 21 dependent upon playoff appearances. Andy and our third for their first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 anything above a 4th is a blessing I can't see him giving up more than that for a back up QB.. unless Tom is retiring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, fluhartz said: anything above a 4th is a blessing I can't see him giving up more than that for a back up QB.. unless Tom is retiring Tom is a free agent and I’ve seen it reported that Bill thinks Dalton could be better than a 40something year old Brady. He did look like he was starting to get old this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jason said: Tom is a free agent and I’ve seen it reported that Bill thinks Dalton could be better than a 40something year old Brady. He did look like he was starting to get old this year. it would be hilarious if Andy went there and won a super bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 52 minutes ago, Jason said: Tom is a free agent and I’ve seen it reported that Bill thinks Dalton could be better than a 40something year old Brady. He did look like he was starting to get old this year. That's where it gets interesting - seems to be that Kraft wants to keep Tom, but Belicheat seems to be the one that wants to move on. Will be a power struggle if that's correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, Cat said: That's where it gets interesting - seems to be that Kraft wants to keep Tom, but Belicheat seems to be the one that wants to move on. Will be a power struggle if that's correct. Word was Bill wanted to keep Garoppolo and Brady/Kraft forced the trade a couple years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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