claptonrocks Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 We have skilled receivers with 4.55 speed.. Some are long striders.. Only quick one is Boyd.. With no time to seperate and get a opening Burrow is running or holding it for them.. Its not working this way.. All comes back on the 5 stooges.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 8:05 PM, bigboi said: The closest thing to Walsh was Sean McVay, and with the fact that Taylor is no long on his staff. McVay's offense is continues to evolve. That's the thing, can someone please tell me what is Taylor's system? Lots of motion and intermediate routes, with zone blocking schemes? For an offensive genius mastermind whatever....the offense is consistently bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotto Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, PatternMaster said: For an offensive genius mastermind whatever....the offense is consistently bad. No one have ever said he was a genius. McVay aint a genius either. Zac may be a good HC in the future; but to get there he's gonna need to turn the offense over to someone who has experience and some resemblance of offense schemes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 54 minutes ago, Spotto said: No one have ever said he was a genius. McVay aint a genius either. Zac may be a good HC in the future; but to get there he's gonna need to turn the offense over to someone who has experience and some resemblance of offense schemes! Scheme doesn't matter so much if the players can't execute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: Scheme doesn't matter so much if the players can't execute. So we have no OL, poor schemes, poor execution and bad play calling . Other than that, good to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: So we have no OL, poor schemes, poor execution and bad play calling . Other than that, good to go? I would say it is difficult to evaluate the schemes when the play breaks down at the line more often than not. We also have to throw in a rookie QB who was not masterful in identifying all those blitzes last week from Baltimore. I have confidence he will learn. I have no such confidence in 3/5 of the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, UncleEarl said: I would say it is difficult to evaluate the schemes when the play breaks down at the line more often than not. We also have to throw in a rookie QB who was not masterful in identifying all those blitzes last week from Baltimore. I have confidence he will learn. I have no such confidence in 3/5 of the OL. Jim Turner does and he's Taylor's tough guy/bad cop, and that's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 I tread water on the "over his head" stuff. He came in so far under that I think he's still trying to reach the surface. That said... it seems veterans are giving up on him. First Carlos being benched for (maybe) dogging it and now A.J. who seems to have lost not only a step or two but his heart. As far as the lip reading A.J. on the bench, all I could get out of it was "I like turtles". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, UncleEarl said: I would say it is difficult to evaluate the schemes when the play breaks down at the line more often than not. We also have to throw in a rookie QB who was not masterful in identifying all those blitzes last week from Baltimore. I have confidence he will learn. I have no such confidence in 3/5 of the OL. But should the schemes not reflect the talent that is on the roster? You have to adjust the scheme if the players can't pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothD Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, High School Harry said: I tread water on the "over his head" stuff. He came in so far under that I think he's still trying to reach the surface. That said... it seems veterans are giving up on him. First Carlos being benched for (maybe) dogging it and now A.J. who seems to have lost not only a step or two but his heart. As far as the lip reading A.J. on the bench, all I could get out of it was "I like turtles". I 100% agree with this statement. Almost seems the Zac knows this season is a lost cause. Ross, Dunlap, Atkins, Green, Price, and Shawn Williams will all be gone next year. Those moves will create a ton a cap space We haven't heard a word from Joe B. stating that he wants to keep AJ around.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 I'd actually say the coaching staff as a whole is growing but with the state of the OL and with a rookie QB it's always one step forward, two steps back. On the defensive side of the ball they're definitely growing and making strides but they're on the field so much it's just wearing them out. They've definitely gotten a lot faster on that side of the ball, I'll say that. Offense on the other hand just looks slow and tired, which is obviously a huge problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: But should the schemes not reflect the talent that is on the roster? You have to adjust the scheme if the players can't pull it off. How do scheme for an OL that can't open holes for the run and can't pass block? You can't run screens, slants and draws all day. These guys are that bad. It's the old "the chain is only as strong as it's weakest link." Until these guys can do something on the OL it's very difficult to judge Taylors "schemes." Beyond schemes Taylor has made enough mistakes to show he is over his head. I'm not worried about Marvin holdovers being disgruntled. If new guys like Bell, Reader, and Bynes, you know...guys who have won before, start carping then I'll be concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, spicoli said: I'd actually say the coaching staff as a whole is growing but with the state of the OL and with a rookie QB it's always one step forward, two steps back. On the defensive side of the ball they're definitely growing and making strides but they're on the field so much it's just wearing them out. They've definitely gotten a lot faster on that side of the ball, I'll say that. Offense on the other hand just looks slow and tired, which is obviously a huge problem. You mention defense is growing.. Younow realize that. Christian Covington is the dline leader now.. Think about that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, claptonrocks said: You mention defense is growing.. Younow realize that. Christian Covington is the dline leader now.. Think about that.. And I really don't expect much of a drop off in total. He'll likely never get credit for it but, he's actually putting a pretty solid scheme together here, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, spicoli said: And I really don't expect much of a drop off in total. He'll likely never get credit for it but, he's actually putting a pretty solid scheme together here, IMO. Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Ok I mean it's next man up....what are you gonna do? Geno playing himself back into shape will be big for that group going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, spicoli said: I mean it's next man up....what are you gonna do? Geno playing himself back into shape will be big for that group going forward. Hope your right about Adkins.. Im not so sure about him anymore.. Just another 30 plus player thats body is breaking down.. With the Dline begging for bodies is their no chance Josh Tupua will make the effort to come back and help the run stuffing? Guess not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 15 hours ago, claptonrocks said: We have skilled receivers with 4.55 speed.. Some are long striders.. Only quick one is Boyd.. With no time to seperate and get a opening Burrow is running or holding it for them.. Its not working this way.. All comes back on the 5 stooges.. Yep. I saw a state that said Joe Burrow was #3 in the league on "In Routes" despite being the #1 pressured QB in the league. Which basically means they are having success throwing to the middle of the field because he is getting rid of the ball so quickly because the Oline doesnt give him time to let other routes develop. I also saw that the Ravens are one of the better teams in the league at taking away the middle. This is why we lost imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Hope your right about Adkins.. Im not so sure about him anymore.. Just another 30 plus player thats body is breaking down.. With the Dline begging for bodies is their no chance Josh Tupua will make the effort to come back and help the run stuffing? Guess not... Players who opted out aren't allowed to change their minds and return to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 50 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Players who opted out aren't allowed to change their minds and return to play. Tks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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claptonrocks Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Yep. I saw a state that said Joe Burrow was #3 in the league on "In Routes" despite being the #1 pressured QB in the league. Which basically means they are having success throwing to the middle of the field because he is getting rid of the ball so quickly because the Oline doesnt give him time to let other routes develop. I also saw that the Ravens are one of the better teams in the league at taking away the middle. This is why we lost imho Good point.. So we can expect other defenses to do the same no? Use a two back formation . Mixon and Sample.. One could pick up the blitzer.. the other would be an outlet or Joe running the ball.. Need to master the option play as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Good point.. So we can expect other defenses to do the same no? Use a two back formation . Mixon and Sample.. One could pick up the blitzer.. the other would be an outlet or Joe running the ball.. Need to master the option play as well... I imagine that other teams will try to copy that model yes, whether they are as good as the Ravens doing so who knows, but yes Taylor should find ways to get creative when the middle is taken away and your Oline sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just for shits and giggles I went to the Packers home page - they have 20 people in their personnel department, Bengals have 8. No chance to compete with the better teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalFanInTO Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 I like that Zac Taylor has started to bench or demote players that are not playing up to their expectations. That is all I like about Zac Taylor. If he was the one who got the Bengals to spend some money on reasonable free agent signings this year, I also like this about him. As far as coaching goes. Yikes. I have seen nothing to encourage me otherwise. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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