gupps 122 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 29 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: If they get O-line in FA, I'd be very happy getting Chase/Smith/Pitts. If they don't and they select any of those 3 I'm gonna be hella nervous until the 2nd round to see if we address the O-line at all. I'd be OK with that also, but what I/m afraid of is the Bengals brain-trust (HAH!) won't get off the dollars to sign a Thuney/Williams/Moton type FA. They'll get some 2nd/3rd tier guy and try to sell to the fans they did all they could. Before next season is over Joe is being carted off the field again being patted on the shoulder by whatever shiny new WR Mikey drafted in the first round. Lather, rinse, and repeat in 2022. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie_B 3,273 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, gupps said: I'd be OK with that also, but what I/m afraid of is the Bengals brain-trust (HAH!) won't get off the dollars to sign a Thuney/Williams/Moton type FA. They'll get some 2nd/3rd tier guy and try to sell to the fans they did all they could. Before next season is over Joe is being carted off the field again being patted on the shoulder by whatever shiny new WR Mikey drafted in the first round. Lather, rinse, and repeat in 2022. We all wait for the Hobson article saying such.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snarkster 278 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 My biggest offseason OL fear is that they continue under the psychotic delusion that Bobbie Hart is an adequate option as a NFL reserve at RT (much less a starter). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sparky151 530 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 The scary thing is Hart wasn't rated that badly by PFF for 2020. We all know he sucks and doesn't belong in the starting lineup but maybe the team disagrees. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I_C_Deadpeople 464 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 46 minutes ago, sparky151 said: The scary thing is Hart wasn't rated that badly by PFF for 2020. We all know he sucks and doesn't belong in the starting lineup but maybe the team disagrees. Should be up to Pollack now and not Turnup Turner. At BEST, Hart is a backup and should be paid half what he is making. And if the OL was a strong one, he would be long gone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
membengal 1,478 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Here's one I just did on PFF where I did no trades at all - just to see how the board would fall, looked like this: First four taken in the draft where Lawrence, Wilson, Waddle and Chase. Then rest of draft went like this w/ me picking (again, I didn't make any trades): Round 1 Pick 5 overall: Penei Sewell, T, Oregon Round 2 Pick 37 overall: Azeez Ojulari, Edge, Georgia Round 3 Pick 69 overall: Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern Round 4 Pick 110 overall: Jay Tufele, IDL, USC Round 5 Pick 150 overall: Shi Smith, WR, South Carolina Round 6 Pick 191 overall: Sardarius Hutchison, IOL, South Carolina Round 7: Pick 231 overall: Logan Hall, IDL, Houston Round 7: Pick 233 overall: Jacoby Stevens, S, LSU I don't...hate it? Thoughts? Btw, passing on WRs everywhere killed me. In this scenario they better have signed a good WR in FA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 3,935 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 8 hours ago, membengal said: Here's one I just did on PFF where I did no trades at all - just to see how the board would fall, looked like this: First four taken in the draft where Lawrence, Wilson, Waddle and Chase. Then rest of draft went like this w/ me picking (again, I didn't make any trades): Round 1 Pick 5 overall: Penei Sewell, T, Oregon Round 2 Pick 37 overall: Azeez Ojulari, Edge, Georgia Round 3 Pick 69 overall: Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern Round 4 Pick 110 overall: Jay Tufele, IDL, USC Round 5 Pick 150 overall: Shi Smith, WR, South Carolina Round 6 Pick 191 overall: Sardarius Hutchison, IOL, South Carolina Round 7: Pick 231 overall: Logan Hall, IDL, Houston Round 7: Pick 233 overall: Jacoby Stevens, S, LSU I don't...hate it? Thoughts? Btw, passing on WRs everywhere killed me. In this scenario they better have signed a good WR in FA. Seriously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PatternMaster 860 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 21 hours ago, sparky151 said: The scary thing is Hart wasn't rated that badly by PFF for 2020. We all know he sucks and doesn't belong in the starting lineup but maybe the team disagrees. Hart played well towards the end of the season, hopefully a new position coach will help him improve his play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sparky151 530 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, PatternMaster said: Hart played well towards the end of the season, hopefully a new position coach will help him improve his play. Yes, we wish him well with his new team. For the Bengals, we need better play at RT than Bobby Hart has ever provided. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
|High School Harry| 3,073 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, PatternMaster said: Hart played well towards the end of the season, hopefully a new position coach will help him improve his play. Especially if the new position coach is with another team. Like Cleveland or Pittsburgh. Tampa Bay would be nice because I would like to see Marsha Brady get her candy ass kicked frequently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PatternMaster 860 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/bobby-hart-excelling-in-key-area Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WRAPradio 293 Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 On 2/8/2021 at 11:48 PM, membengal said: Here's one I just did on PFF where I did no trades at all - just to see how the board would fall, looked like this: First four taken in the draft where Lawrence, Wilson, Waddle and Chase. Then rest of draft went like this w/ me picking (again, I didn't make any trades): Round 1 Pick 5 overall: Penei Sewell, T, Oregon Round 2 Pick 37 overall: Azeez Ojulari, Edge, Georgia Round 3 Pick 69 overall: Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern Round 4 Pick 110 overall: Jay Tufele, IDL, USC Round 5 Pick 150 overall: Shi Smith, WR, South Carolina Round 6 Pick 191 overall: Sardarius Hutchison, IOL, South Carolina Round 7: Pick 231 overall: Logan Hall, IDL, Houston Round 7: Pick 233 overall: Jacoby Stevens, S, LSU I don't...hate it? Thoughts? Btw, passing on WRs everywhere killed me. In this scenario they better have signed a good WR in FA. I like the positions, but I’m not aware of some of these guys yet. Sewell is obvious. Ojulari would be an interesting pick at a position of need. I love the positions you chose (2 OL, 3 DL/Edge, WR). If we could get Dickerson (C - Ala) in the 3rd that would be great. He’s injury prone, but it’s possible that could be behind him. I think he’ll go in the 2nd, but I’m hoping he falls to the 3rd and we can take advantage. Him and Sewell would be huge (literally) for our line. Instant upgrades regardless where you decide to play them on the line. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
membengal 1,478 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 He's gone by end of 2nd in most mocks now when I run the sims. Even with the knee injury. He would be a candidate if they traded back in 2nd round, maybe? That said, the idea of drafting a guy (even as talented as he seems to be) coming off an ACL in January makes me itchy... I can't recall in that sim if I could have had Creed Humphrey in 3 - he is often there in mocks at this current point in time - but I think if he was I went Newsome because I think that guy is going to be a tremendous NFL corner and was huge value in that spot in what is also pretty much a position of need... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T-Dub 7,695 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 On 2/4/2021 at 3:09 PM, spicoli said: Speaking of unjust comparisons, this guy was being compared to Anthony Munoz by some.. That's the modern NFL draft in a nutshell. Every first round pick is "THE NEXT (insert Hall of Famer)!!!!" If you listen to the talking heads you'd think there'd never been a bust in recorded history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I_C_Deadpeople 464 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, T-Dub said: That's the modern NFL draft in a nutshell. Every first round pick is "THE NEXT (insert Hall of Famer)!!!!" If you listen to the talking heads you'd think there'd never been a bust in recorded history. Well, no 1st rounder is drafted to bust. But your are correct, there is little talk about prospects ability or possible lack of ability to play at the NFL level. The NHL talking heads often call out high drafted players in terms of 'I don't see his skillset projeting to the NHL level" and things of this nature. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T-Dub 7,695 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 30 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Well, no 1st rounder is drafted to bust. But your are correct, there is little talk about prospects ability or possible lack of ability to play at the NFL level. The NHL talking heads often call out high drafted players in terms of 'I don't see his skillset projeting to the NHL level" and things of this nature. Funny as I see that all the time IMHO when watching college highlight videos. Usually it's either a defender arm tackling or shoving down smaller guys (Maualuga @ USC was a poster boy for this) or a WR running nothing but deep routes against slow DB's (guess who?). Then we draft them and seem surprised by their lack of production. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spicoli 580 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Some of the best defenses that this franchise has ever had came with Rey Maualuga starting in the front 7. He obviously couldn't cover but he was nowhere near as bad here as people try to make him out to be. In run game fits, the dude was one of the best hole pluggers of that era. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sparky151 530 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Ray Rice disagrees. Maualuga was notorious for charging into the wrong hole. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spicoli 580 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 I didn’t say he was an all pro, I’m just saying he wasn’t as bad here as people try to make him out to be. He was in the middle of some excellent run defenses here and one of the reasons was because of his physicality in the hole. Marv and Zim basically used him as a battering ram here, I’m surprised we haven’t heard about him having CTE issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MOC 21 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 11 minutes ago, spicoli said: I didn’t say he was an all pro, I’m just saying he wasn’t as bad here as people try to make him out to be. He was in the middle of some excellent run defenses here and one of the reasons was because of his physicality in the hole. Marv and Zim basically used him as a battering ram here, I’m surprised we haven’t heard about him having CTE issues. If by CTE you're referring to Cute Teenage "Escorts" he had plenty of issues 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spicoli 580 Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 My guy.. https://247sports.com/Article/Ohio-State-Buckeyes-football-Justin-Hilliard-linebacker-NFL-Draft-stock-Senior-Bowl-Jim-Nagy-160794722/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
membengal 1,478 Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 Ran a PFF mock and made the same trade the Locked On pod did (Denver up to 5 and Bengals get 9, 40, 71) - and came out with this... 1st Round #9 overall --- Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU (Pitts 3, Paye 4, Farley 7, Sewell 8 and 4 QBs in first eight picks) 2nd Round #38 overall --- Alijah Vera-Tucker, T/IOL, USC 2nd Round #40 overall --- Sam Cosmi, T, Texas 3rd Round #69 overall --- Joseph Ossai, Edge, Texas 3rd Round #71 overall --- Daviyon Nixon, IDL, Iowa 4th Round #111 overall --- Quinn Meinerz, IOL/C, Wisc-Whitewater 5th Round #150 overall --- Israel Mukuamu, CB, South Carolina 6th Round #192 overall --- Shi Smith, WR, South Carolina 7th Round #231 overall --- DJ Daniel, CB, Georgia 7th Round #233 overall --- JaCoby Stevens, S, LSU 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 330 Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 17 hours ago, membengal said: Ran a PFF mock and made the same trade the Locked On pod did (Denver up to 5 and Bengals get 9, 40, 71) - and came out with this... 1st Round #9 overall --- Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU (Pitts 3, Paye 4, Farley 7, Sewell 8 and 4 QBs in first eight picks) 2nd Round #38 overall --- Alijah Vera-Tucker, T/IOL, USC 2nd Round #40 overall --- Sam Cosmi, T, Texas 3rd Round #69 overall --- Joseph Ossai, Edge, Texas 3rd Round #71 overall --- Daviyon Nixon, IDL, Iowa 4th Round #111 overall --- Quinn Meinerz, IOL/C, Wisc-Whitewater 5th Round #150 overall --- Israel Mukuamu, CB, South Carolina 6th Round #192 overall --- Shi Smith, WR, South Carolina 7th Round #231 overall --- DJ Daniel, CB, Georgia 7th Round #233 overall --- JaCoby Stevens, S, LSU Good draft... There are two very good linemen at U. of Pitt.. DT Jaylen Twyman ..3 tech rusher.. DE Patrick Jones...a guy who can bring pressure.. Both players have pressure skills the team desperately needs.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
membengal 1,478 Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 Yup, like both those guys. Also, a reminder about this guy... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptonrocks 330 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, membengal said: Yup, like both those guys. Also, a reminder about this guy... Nothing to dislike about Chase ither than his height but like so many tough receivers of his mode it only makes them play harder and better.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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