RB Offseason 2023

[Le Tigre]

4 minutes ago, dex said:

If they wanted that kind of RB, they could wait until the draft. If Bijan Robinson is still available in the mid 1st round, the Bengals could probably trade Tee Higgins for the draft slot needed. That assumes that they are unable to sign Higgins to an extension. They know what they are willing to pay in guaranteed money and by then they will know if Tee's agent will accept it. If not, then Higgins needs to be flipped for draft assets.

Still doesn’t address the blocking role—which on this team, is a massive need for their RB’s. 
 

Funny how this “devalued position” is suddenly becoming so important. 

[dex]

2 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

Still doesn’t address the blocking role—which on this team, is a massive need for their RB’s. 
 

Funny how this “devalued position” is suddenly becoming so important. 

Robinson has improved as a pass protector. The RB position may be devalued in the league overall, but Robinson is considered a unicorn. He has everything you want. He might be the best RB to enter the league since Adrian Peterson. 

[Jamie_B]

2 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

I feel like the Bengals need a fresh start at RB fully ... 

 

I would love for them to trade KC for Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Burrow's college RB. Now that Pacheco is their starter they don't need him. 

 

 

Wont happen imho, Duke Tobin said "I'm not in the business of making other teams better." No chance they give up anything to the team who has become their chief rival now. They wont help the Chiefs in any way.

[Jamie_B]

1 hour ago, dex said:

Can you think of one example of the Bengals reworking an existing team contract? I can't. Other teams do it, Cincinnati does not.

 

I can not, which is disappointing as it would really help the team if they would at least try to rework deals.

[Jamie_B]

1 hour ago, dex said:

If they wanted that kind of RB, they could wait until the draft. If Bijan Robinson is still available in the mid 1st round, the Bengals could probably trade Tee Higgins for the draft slot needed. That assumes that they are unable to sign Higgins to an extension. They know what they are willing to pay in guaranteed money and by then they will know if Tee's agent will accept it. If not, then Higgins needs to be flipped for draft assets.

 

I can't agree with trading Higgins for picks if they can't get a deal done. We are 1 play away from winning a Superbowl, and 1 play away from returning to one. You don't trade away your best players when you are that close. 

[|BlackJesus|]

17 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

Wont happen imho, Duke Tobin said "I'm not in the business of making other teams better." 

 

Giving a 5th rd pick to KC for a RB who would dominate back with Shiesty isn't making KC better, it's making the Bengals better. 

[Jamie_B]

2 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

 

Giving a 5th rd pick to KC for a RB who would dominate back with Shiesty isn't making KC better, it's making the Bengals better. 

 

I think it's more likely they use that 5th on a RB to replace Perine. 

[|BlackJesus|]

I still remember they asked Burrow who the "best athlete" on his national championship LSU team was ... and he said CEH ... not Chase or Jefferson ... there is a ton of untapped potential there and he's still only 23 years old.

 

And he's fallen to 3rd on the KC depth chart so they will likely deal him, as he's entering the last year of his rookie deal. 

[Cricket]

45 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

 

Giving a 5th rd pick to KC for a RB who would dominate back with Shiesty isn't making KC better, it's making the Bengals better. 

…and Kansas City really wants to make the Bengals better.  🥷

[spicoli]

 

[Kochman]

Lions signed David Montgomery.  I personally would like James Robinson and a rookie Rb. 

[I_C_Deadpeople]

1 hour ago, BlackJesus said:

 

Giving a 5th rd pick to KC for a RB who would dominate back with Shiesty isn't making KC better, it's making the Bengals better. 

CEH is on a cheap first contract so no way KC trades him

[happyrid]

23 minutes ago, Kochman said:

Lions signed David Montgomery.  I personally would like James Robinson and a rookie Rb. 

 

I think Robinson is completely washed post-Achilles injury. That is almost impossible for a RB to come back from, especially one who was not an elite athlete even before the injury. Jets traded for him and he couldn't even crack their top 3 after Breece Hall got injured. 

 

 

[sparky151]

2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

Wont happen imho, Duke Tobin said "I'm not in the business of making other teams better." No chance they give up anything to the team who has become their chief rival now. They wont help the Chiefs in any way.

 

Duke Tobin is the guy who took John Ross with the pick before Patrick Mahomes. He's very much in the business of making other teams better. 

 

I'm surprised Perine got as much as he did but good for him. Bengals should sign a vet RB and draft one too as replacements for Mixon and Perine. CEH is worth a late round pick if the team wants to go that direction but he's no bell cow. 

[stryker57]

i tellin ya.... especially now that Perine signed elsewhere . Mixon isnt going anywhere. 

they just are not going to cut him eat the dead money and sign another 5-7 mil /yr  RB.  let alone one for more. 

[Jamie_B]

23 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

 

Duke Tobin is the guy who took John Ross with the pick before Patrick Mahomes. He's very much in the business of making other teams better. 

 

I'm surprised Perine got as much as he did but good for him. Bengals should sign a vet RB and draft one too as replacements for Mixon and Perine. CEH is worth a late round pick if the team wants to go that direction but he's no bell cow. 

 

Most GM's (even if he doesnt have the title) miss on guys, nobody in this league is 100%

 

The point is he isnt going to try to give other teams help.

[Jamie_B]

3 minutes ago, stryker57 said:

i tellin ya.... especially now that Perine signed elsewhere . Mixon isnt going anywhere. 

they just are not going to cut him eat the dead money and sign another high end RB. 

 

Yup, Mixon is going to be the starting RB going into next season

[claptonrocks]

2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

I can not, which is disappointing as it would really help the team if they would at least try to rework deals.

New age with Blackburn womem Jaime.

Their thinking on contract extensions would be more in line with present day than MB would do.

New age..new times 

 

[IKOTA]

5 hours ago, dex said:

If they wanted that kind of RB, they could wait until the draft. If Bijan Robinson is still available in the mid 1st round, the Bengals could probably trade Tee Higgins for the draft slot needed. That assumes that they are unable to sign Higgins to an extension. They know what they are willing to pay in guaranteed money and by then they will know if Tee's agent will accept it. If not, then Higgins needs to be flipped for draft assets.

0% chance Higgins gets traded this year. His salary is negligible compared to his production and role. Hopefully next year with bengals getting two firsts for him. 

[dex]

13 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

I can't agree with trading Higgins for picks if they can't get a deal done. We are 1 play away from winning a Superbowl, and 1 play away from returning to one. You don't trade away your best players when you are that close. 

Kansas City traded away Tyreek Hill for draft assets that they quickly turned into starters on new rookie contracts. How did that work out for them?

 

If you aren't going to be able to sign an impact guy to an extension, then his value is limited to the short term. A year or two with a franchise tag and that impact guy is gone for a future compensatory pick. When you are picking at the end of every draft round, it is much harder to hit on an impact player. Your roster can get depleted in a hurry that way, even with Burrow being good enough by himself to keep you in the playoff conversation. 

 

I agree with not trading Bates. He was never going to give you enough draft assets to make a trade worthwhile. Higgins is different.

[spicoli]

 

[Jamie_B]

Just now, spicoli said:

 

 

 

I like this, I thought Williams played well when he got put in while Perine was the starter, when Mixon was hurt. 

 

I think he can fill that role that Perine did pretty well. 

[spicoli]

I’m a big Williams fan. Always thought they should have been using him more in the backfield. Still think they’ll sign JWilliams from Detroit though. 

[MichaelWeston]

What they may think. "We went to the super bowl with Mixon-Perine-Williams-Evans. We are returning Mixon-Williams and Evans and we will just replace Perine with a draft pick. 

Williams-Bengals	25	64.6	82.3	74.6	81.6	80.9	37	0/0	6-30-5-0; 2-30-0; 16k-356-22.3-0; 7 tackles	5'8 206
Mixon-Bengals	27	31.3	80.8	80.9	77	34.9	713	14/71	210-814-3.9; 60-441-2	6'1 220
Evans-Bengals	26		72.5	75	77.5	60	18	0/1	3-38-1; 4 tackles	5'11 215

 

If they are not thinking that....here are a bunch of interesting dudes left that I think upgrade the room in different ways still available. A sneaky guy is Ty Johnson from the jets. 

 

Options		RB	Age	ELU	Overall	Running	Receiving	Pass Block	Snaps	Starts 2022/Career	Stats	Notes
Starters
5		Murray-Broncos	33	35.9	82.5	86	65.6	43.6	447	7/76	171-760-4,4-6; 27-132-0	6'3 230
		Singletary-Bills	26	54.5	78.6	85.1	58.5	73.2	786	16/56	177-819-4.6-5, 38-280-1	5'7 203
		Harris-Patriots	26	34.7	75.8	77.9	55.7	69.2	238	9/34	106-462-4.4-3; 17-97-0	5'11 213
		Williams-Lions	28	32.5	73.5	75.6	39.7	72.3	459	9/40	262-1066-4.1-17; 12-73-0	6'0 225
9		Foreman-Panthers	27	56.4	73.1	76.5	52.4	14.8	354	9/13	203-914-4.5; 5-26	6'0 235
		Mattison-Vikings	25	85.8	71.5	84.2	43.4	61.4	304	0/6	74-283-3.8-5; 15-91-1	5'11 215
	CC	Fournette-Bucs	28	30.8	68	79.2	78.8	34.2	689	9/61	189-668-3; 73-523-3	CC
		Hunt-Browns	28	62.6	67	67.4	66.4	54.6	491	0/36	123-468-3.8-3; 35-210-1	5'11 216
Rotational Guys
		Johnson-Jets	26	134.4	71.2	90.2	43.3	55.3	172	1/6	30-160-5.3-1; 12-88-0	5'10 210
		Jones-Chiefs	26	24.2	69.1	68.8	61.9		40	0/25	17-70-4.1-1; 1-22-0	5'11 205
		Johnson-Browns	27	42.9	66.1	67.1	58.4	82.1	34	0/2	4-17-0; 3-7-0, 6 tackles	5'10 208
		Gaskin-Dolphins	26	145.7	65	65.1	62.1	75	39	0/17	10-26-2.6-0; 4-28-0	5'10 194
		Hill-Ravens	25	71.2	60.8	68.2	52.6	55.4	274	0/0	49-262-5.3; 12-58-0; 10kr-247-24.7; 6 tackles	5'10 200
		Robinson-Jets	25	26.2	59.7	59.7	57.5	81.5	271	0/32	110-425-3.9-3; 11-52-2	5'9 219
		McKinnon-Chiefs	31	30.2	58.1	58.4	70.6	27.5	606	0/18	72-291-4-1; 56-512-9	Captain

[sparky151]

13 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

Most GM's (even if he doesnt have the title) miss on guys, nobody in this league is 100%

 

The point is he isnt going to try to give other teams help.

 

Well, that's the point. Unless you are trading damaged goods away (cough cough Lael Collins), a trade should be a win-win for both teams. If Tobin is saying he can't find trades that improve the Bengals, he's not very good at his job.  Teams can get players through 4 methods (waiver wire, draft, free agency, and trade) and not being able to make trades hurts the team. The Price for Hill trade worked out ok. A 6th or 7th rounder for CEH could work out as well. 

 

Choosing Dalton over Mahomes didn't work out so well for the Bengals though it eventually led to Burrow. But it worked out great for KC with 2 MVP awards and 2 Super Bowl wins with Kermit.