WRAPradio Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 I haven’t looked at the cap lately so I don’t know how feasible this would be, but with the Browns needing to get Baker’s contract off of the books, would you take Baker PLUS a their 2022 2nd rounder, for let’s say our 2022 6th round pick? I think the Browns did something like this a few years ago when they had a little extra space. I doubt we would do something like this with a division rival as it could help them extend contracts with Baker off of the books, but it’s interesting to think about (at least for me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 Interesting idea. However, I’m not grasping the benefit for the Bengals…other than the extra 2nd rounder. What else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRAPradio Posted April 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 32 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Interesting idea. However, I’m not grasping the benefit for the Bengals…other than the extra 2nd rounder. What else? That’s it…the 2nd rounder for “free” essentially. Let Baker ride the pine this year and don’t re-sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 I'd rather have the 18.8 mil in cap space. Sure, a mid 2nd round pick would be nice but we only have 19 mil in cap space at present. We could restructure a player or two to clear enough space to sign the rookies and some injury replacements. But also means we wouldn't be able to fill gaps after the draft with players like an Ogunjobi or Spain or a veteran receiver or CB if we don't find talent at those positions in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 IIRC Cleveland had more than $100 in cap space that year. Eating Osweiler's contract to get a 2nd round pick was no big deal. Besides I do not think I would want Baker stinking up the Bengals locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 April Fools day is long past. Today is Easter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, membengal said: April Fools day is long past. Today is Easter. He was just trying to be a good Christian and help the homeless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: He was just trying to be a good Christian and help the homeless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 Why would the Browns give up a 2nd just to get rid of Baker? They are more likely to cut him than give up a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRAPradio Posted April 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Why would the Browns give up a 2nd just to get rid of Baker? They are more likely to cut him than give up a pick. If they cut him all of his $18M is a dead cap hit. If they trade him, it opens up that much cap space for them to sign more FAs or extend some of their other guys to lessen their hits in future years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalifBengalfan Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 2 hours ago, WRAPradio said: If they cut him all of his $18M is a dead cap hit. If they trade him, it opens up that much cap space for them to sign more FAs or extend some of their other guys to lessen their hits in future years. Your scenario would only benefit a team needing a starting Qb or maybe one that is not set on their Qb. Why would we pay 18 mil to get a second round pick that we would also have to pay, and a backup qb we hope never has to take the field but would be paid more than Joe Burrow. And Mayfield would not be happy being a backup with no chance to win a starting job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRAPradio Posted April 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 Just now, CalifBengalfan said: Your scenario would only benefit a team needing a starting Qb or maybe one that is not set on their Qb. Why would we pay 18 mil to get a second round pick that we would also have to pay, and a backup qb we hope never has to take the field but would be paid more than Joe Burrow. And Mayfield would not be happy being a backup with no chance to win a starting job. Then you just let Baker go next year. If we had more cap room I think it would be a good move for us. Who cares what Baker wants…tell him not to even show up for all I would care. An extra second would be nice for us, especially with this staff being known to reach in the 2nd (Sample, Jackson). Higgins was good pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 Maybe not us (thank God) but if Pittsburgh was offered Mayfield and a 2nd rounder for some sort of chump change they should be all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker57 Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 No. it was a cheap stupid move when the browns did it, and lets look at just how that worked out for them? they're a shit show, so yea, lets take a great start to a new direction where we just came short of winning the super bowl , change direction and follow their model. . no thank you. Please.... no.... besides I believe Hobson has already written how we are close to the cap and all we have left is room for the draft picks and injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeslumina Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 He can clean up after games, I guess. He can live at stadium, too. No ty baker, good luck on your future plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalifBengalfan Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 18 hours ago, WRAPradio said: Then you just let Baker go next year. If we had more cap room I think it would be a good move for us. Who cares what Baker wants…tell him not to even show up for all I would care. An extra second would be nice for us, especially with this staff being known to reach in the 2nd (Sample, Jackson). Higgins was good pick. Ok, so tell Baker don`t show up and pay his 18 mil salary. Add in the money the 2nd rounder will be paid, just to have a second rounder? That is hardly a 2nd rounder for free. Don`t think that is a good scenario even if we had the cap space. Why not just go out and pay a proven vet on a position you can use on a 1 or 2 yr deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebengal Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 No, no, no and no. We have a good locker room vibe right now and bringing in a sulking Baker Mayfield to play 2nd string at his salary would mess that up. Plus, Paul Brown Stadium is Joe Burrow's house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, Shebengal said: No, no, no and no. We have a good locker room vibe right now and bringing in a sulking Baker Mayfield to play 2nd string at his salary would mess that up. Plus, Paul Brown Stadium is Joe Burrow's house. Co-sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOC Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 Why don't you ask Burrow, Hubbard and Prince what they would think of this? They first met Mayfly at The Shoe in 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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happyrid Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 5:33 PM, CalifBengalfan said: Your scenario would only benefit a team needing a starting Qb or maybe one that is not set on their Qb. Why would we pay 18 mil to get a second round pick that we would also have to pay, and a backup qb we hope never has to take the field but would be paid more than Joe Burrow. And Mayfield would not be happy being a backup with no chance to win a starting job. I think there is enough of a market for Baker that it will not come to this for the Browns and agree about the weird locker room problems. But I think you're underestimating how cheap 2nd round picks are an how much excess financial value there is. Just as a frame of reference, Jesse Bates was drafted in the mid-2nd round and played out his rookie deal, which was 4-years, $6.8M ($1.7M per year). Even if you had to add $18M on top of that to pay him $24.8M over 4 years at just over $6M per year, that's a great value for what Bates gave us those four years. It is easy to imagine getting another $10M per year player and only having to pay him $7M per (if you add on the $18M upfront cost) and making your team better. Imagine that the mid-2nd round draft prospects in 2022 were FAs last month. Would you have happily paid whichever top 10 CB you think slides into the 2nd round (Kyler Gordon?) or whichever mid-2nd round OL (Cam Jurgens?) $7M per year? BJ Hill got $10M per year. Is there a 2nd round DT you would have paid $3M per year less and felt good about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 13 hours ago, happyrid said: I think there is enough of a market for Baker that it will not come to this for the Browns and agree about the weird locker room problems. But I think you're underestimating how cheap 2nd round picks are an how much excess financial value there is. Just as a frame of reference, Jesse Bates was drafted in the mid-2nd round and played out his rookie deal, which was 4-years, $6.8M ($1.7M per year). Even if you had to add $18M on top of that to pay him $24.8M over 4 years at just over $6M per year, that's a great value for what Bates gave us those four years. It is easy to imagine getting another $10M per year player and only having to pay him $7M per (if you add on the $18M upfront cost) and making your team better. Imagine that the mid-2nd round draft prospects in 2022 were FAs last month. Would you have happily paid whichever top 10 CB you think slides into the 2nd round (Kyler Gordon?) or whichever mid-2nd round OL (Cam Jurgens?) $7M per year? BJ Hill got $10M per year. Is there a 2nd round DT you would have paid $3M per year less and felt good about it? There is a market for Baker just that the team(s) who want him will wait until after the draft. You are right, if you find quality starting players in the 2nd round or later it is huge. 4 years at a reasonable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 A team should expect to get a quality player who will become a starter when using a 2nd round pick. NFL careers average less than 4 years so teams turn over the bottom 25% or so of their rosters each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRAPradio Posted April 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 22 minutes ago, sparky151 said: A team should expect to get a quality player who will become a starter when using a 2nd round pick. NFL careers average less than 4 years so teams turn over the bottom 25% or so of their rosters each year. Drew Sample and Jackson Carman (still TBD) say hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalifBengalfan Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 13 hours ago, happyrid said: I think there is enough of a market for Baker that it will not come to this for the Browns and agree about the weird locker room problems. But I think you're underestimating how cheap 2nd round picks are an how much excess financial value there is. Just as a frame of reference, Jesse Bates was drafted in the mid-2nd round and played out his rookie deal, which was 4-years, $6.8M ($1.7M per year). Even if you had to add $18M on top of that to pay him $24.8M over 4 years at just over $6M per year, that's a great value for what Bates gave us those four years. It is easy to imagine getting another $10M per year player and only having to pay him $7M per (if you add on the $18M upfront cost) and making your team better. Imagine that the mid-2nd round draft prospects in 2022 were FAs last month. Would you have happily paid whichever top 10 CB you think slides into the 2nd round (Kyler Gordon?) or whichever mid-2nd round OL (Cam Jurgens?) $7M per year? BJ Hill got $10M per year. Is there a 2nd round DT you would have paid $3M per year less and felt good about it? Lets not forget Drew sample was a 2nd round pick, so that doesn`t sound as good. And paying rookies who may or may not produce to take on this scenario is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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