mhfinks Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 [quote name='Phatcat' timestamp='1329757684' post='1097490'] I like Garcon as an option. Very good production last year even without Manning. He is 25. He worth a look IMO. [/quote] I like Garcon too..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Whatever Bengals.com article that was just posted it almost assures that they will be looking for another explosive WR. I believe Gruden points it out making it very clear what they want to improve on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BENGALS666 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Third Garcon. We see The Colts every year in Nashville and that guy always does damage.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBengal Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 We are not going to sign Wallace. It's silly to even discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 [quote name='BlackBengal' timestamp='1329848612' post='1097924'] We are not going to sign Wallace. It's silly to even discuss. [/quote] No it's not.. It's an interesting situation with a myriad of possible implications within our division.. It's the perfect thing to discuss at this time.. Which is why this thread is 11 pages long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 [quote name='BlackBengal' timestamp='1329848612' post='1097924'] We are not going to sign Wallace. It's silly to even discuss. [/quote] It helps us even if somebody else does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBengal Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 [quote name='bengaled' timestamp='1329762444' post='1097526'] that's likely going to happen whether we like it or not. if we're understanding the new language correctly, wallace is gone and it's a done deal. it's just a matter of where he's going and how high of an additional 1st round pick pittsburgh's going to get. but at this stage it is looking like they are going to have two firsts this year. [/quote] Yeah, but if the Bengals sign him, the Steelers would have one extra 1st rounder PLUS the Bengals would have one LESS 1st rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Ideally, he goes to San Francisco. At least get him out of the AFC North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dautcom08 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 [quote name='AZBengal' timestamp='1329855193' post='1097949'] Yeah, but if the Bengals sign him, the Steelers would have one extra 1st rounder PLUS the Bengals would have one LESS 1st rounder. [/quote] It would also leave the Steelers with one less young Pro Bowler and the Bengals with one more young Pro Bowler. As precious as 1st rounders are, they are still unproven assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='AZBengal' timestamp='1329855193' post='1097949'] Yeah, but if the Bengals sign him, the Steelers would have one extra 1st rounder PLUS the Bengals would have one LESS 1st rounder. [/quote] You're looking at it all wrong. It would be like the Bengals traded Carson Palmer for Mike Wallace and a 2nd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 If Wallace was the missing piece to a Super Bowl then giving up a first round pick and a bunch of money might be worth it. I think there are too many other gaps to fill before the Bengals will be ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1329871496' post='1098011'] You're looking at it all wrong. It would be like the Bengals traded Carson Palmer for Mike Wallace and a 2nd round pick. [/quote] +1 I like this train of thought better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 At the end of the day, I honestly can't see the Bengals wanting to give Pitt a 1st rd draft pick no matter what the situation is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I just hope that the 49ers will. They are near the top of the league in cap and they pick like 28th. Mike Wallace for what is nearly a 2nd round pick and it gets him the hell out of our division. WIN-WIN. I wouldn't mind having him either, but as long as its not Baltimore or Pittsburgh I'm cool with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigris Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 SO you have to give up your first from the same year you sign the player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewdog Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Since the Bengals have two first round picks, could they sign two restricted free agents? Like Wallace and say Arian Foster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocalBengalEd Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Yes but they would cost a fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1329871496' post='1098011'] You're looking at it all wrong. It would be like the Bengals traded Carson Palmer for Mike Wallace and a 2nd round pick. [/quote] AND moved up 4 spots in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='AZBengal' timestamp='1329855193' post='1097949'] Yeah, but if the Bengals sign him, the Steelers would have one extra 1st rounder PLUS the Bengals would have one LESS 1st rounder. [/quote] true. but the flip side is we'd have an established WR that comes in with no question marks. there's not a 1st round rookie WR that you can make that claim about with 100% certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincity Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='bengaled' timestamp='1329875573' post='1098046'] true. but the flip side is we'd have an established WR that comes in with no question marks. there's not a 1st round rookie WR that you can make that claim about with 100% certainty. [/quote] There are so many other receivers we can get without giving up a 1st rounder. Vincent Jackson, is one that comes to mind. Pierre Garcon, Marques Colston, Mario Manningham would fit lovely in this offense the way he runs routes, and that is what this team needs more that just a deep threat. Wallace lines up outside the numbers and goes. We have A.J. for that. we need that other side threat that will produce on crisp precise passing. Someone inline with running the West Coast Offense. Why give them a 1st round pick when we can get the same value elsewhere AND still have our 2 first round picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='cincity' timestamp='1329877617' post='1098052'] There are so many other receivers we can get without giving up a 1st rounder. Vincent Jackson, is one that comes to mind. Pierre Garcon, Marques Colston, Mario Manningham would fit lovely in this offense the way he runs routes, and that is what this team needs more that just a deep threat. Wallace lines up outside the numbers and goes. We have A.J. for that. we need that other side threat that will produce on crisp precise passing. Someone inline with running the West Coast Offense. Why give them a 1st round pick when we can get the same value elsewhere AND still have our 2 first round picks? [/quote] if you paid attention you'd notice i didn't make that argument. stay on point, please. we are of the same mindset in this arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewdog Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='bengaled' timestamp='1329879709' post='1098059'] if you paid attention you'd notice i didn't make that argument. stay on point, please. we are of the same mindset in this arena. [/quote] I don't know what you guys are thinking, I think the Bengals should use both draft picks to move up and get Ki'jana Carter. He was a stud at Penn State. I hear he is tough too, at Penn State it's even rough in the showers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincity Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='bengaled' timestamp='1329879709' post='1098059'] if you paid attention you'd notice i didn't make that argument. stay on point, please. we are of the same mindset in this arena. [/quote] R.I.F. sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='cincity' timestamp='1329877617' post='1098052'] There are so many other receivers we can get without giving up a 1st rounder. Vincent Jackson, is one that comes to mind. Pierre Garcon, Marques Colston, Mario Manningham would fit lovely in this offense the way he runs routes, and that is what this team needs more that just a deep threat. Wallace lines up outside the numbers and goes. We have A.J. for that. we need that other side threat that will produce on crisp precise passing. Someone inline with running the West Coast Offense. Why give them a 1st round pick when we can get the same value elsewhere AND still have our 2 first round picks? [/quote] I would argue that you are selling AJ Green short. It looks like you are implying that he too is "just a deep threat" and we need an all around guy opposite him. Mike Wallace is the type of deep threat that forces the opposing defense to keep a safety deep on his side of the field and in essence double team him. That would free AJ up. I would argue that AJ is going to be the precise route runner that can do absolutely everything and be a 100 catch, 1500 yard type guy in the mold of Andre Johnson. AJ can do it all. If you look at it from that perspective, we don't necessarily need a "do it all" type guy across from him. A big play guy who demands doubles across the field from AJ actually is a great fit. Now, whether Wallace is worth the money/pick, different argument. But I absolutely don't buy that Wallace would not be a fantastic fit here. If a team doesn't double him or AJ, those guys can beat single coverage all day. And if teams basically have to double team those guys, Gresham and Shipley can tear teams apart in the middle of the field against single coverage. Not to mention the benefits to the running game of forcing teams to keep both their safeties deep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I wasn't aware that the Pats had two first round picks. Seems like there is a good chance that Mike could certainly end up somewhere else. I know for certain that he would be the best player that we could get with pick #21. Question is, do we want to have two #1 WR salaries on our books in a few years when they decide to extend AJ? Is Mike worth the money he is going to want for being mostly a burner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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