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Cut Dre Kirkpatrick or nah?

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Almost certainly gone

 

Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Bengals

Kirkpatrick took up $9.5 million in cap space to star on one of the league’s worst passing defenses.

 

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He’ll count a shade under $11 million in 2019. Marvin Lewis is gone, and Cincinnati’s rebuild under Zac Taylor will likely mean Kirkpatrick follows him. The Bengals have to take some big moves to wash the taste of a rotten 2018 finish from their mouths, and jettisoning their fourth-highest paid player could be the next one.

 

 

 

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/2/12/18214341/nfl-veterans-cut-released-candidates-offseason-2019-free-agency

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36 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Almost certainly gone

 

Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Bengals

Kirkpatrick took up $9.5 million in cap space to star on one of the league’s worst passing defenses.

 

Screen_Shot_2019_02_06_at_8.17.59_PM.png

He’ll count a shade under $11 million in 2019. Marvin Lewis is gone, and Cincinnati’s rebuild under Zac Taylor will likely mean Kirkpatrick follows him. The Bengals have to take some big moves to wash the taste of a rotten 2018 finish from their mouths, and jettisoning their fourth-highest paid player could be the next one.

 

 

 

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/2/12/18214341/nfl-veterans-cut-released-candidates-offseason-2019-free-agency

I say

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

If we can resign Dennard then yes cut him and draft a CB 

this ^^

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3rd and Dre is a thing

 

1 hour ago, Jamie_B said:

If we can resign Dennard then yes cut him and draft a CB 

 

and yes 

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I think there is very little chance Dre is gone. The bad pass defense had more to do with the linebackers and pass rush than the dbs. With a switch to more base nickels, quality corners are very hard to find. Dre was down last year but played well enough in the past to give him a longer leash. Dennard and he play different positions technically as well. We would only save 6 million and we are unlikely to find a CB of his quality for 6 million. We had 2 rookies last year that might do well enough to make this an option for next year, but cutting Dre this offseason doesn't seem like the right move. 

 

CB Jackson 21 McRae 19 Phillips 22
CB Kirkpatrick 22 Russell 20 Harris 22
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I agree with Mr.Watson above. 

Just a little less three and outs from the offense this season and the entire defense will instantly look much improved. Dre included. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, HOF dan said:

This is the same argument for me that it was for Marvin. If you have a better option - great. If not - why?

Because it's Fresh and New! Who needs options? 

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I'd be surprised if Dre gets cut. The team isn't short of cap space and is unlikely to find a better CB in free agency. So the Bengals will do their usual thing, play it safe and avoid change. 

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5 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

I'd be surprised if Dre gets cut. The team isn't short of cap space and is unlikely to find a better CB in free agency. So the Bengals will do their usual thing, play it safe and avoid change. 

Based on your first sentence, wouldn’t it be the SMART thing to do? 

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He's a marginal starting CB. But we need snaps from someone. Maybe he has a better 2019 or maybe he doesn't. I'm not opposed to replacing him but we have bigger problems so I wouldn't want to use pick 11 on a CB unless we've fixed the O-line and LB positions in free agency. 

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There are compelling arguments for both sides. On the one hand, I've never been impressed with Dre so I say cut him, especially since I'm sick of seeing him celebrate after a run of the mill play. On the other hand, is there anyone better out there to replace him? If not, keep him for now and hope the young CBs develop. I think a lot of the problem last year, especially at the beginning of the year, is that the defense couldn't pick up Austin's defense. To me, they just looked lost, especially in the secondary. Maybe with a new DC and a new scheme, the defense overall will look better this year. 

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14 hours ago, High School Harry said:

Trade him?

I'm assuming the thinking in this scenario is that it is very unlikely to trade him because of the high salary that he carries?!

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40 minutes ago, Shebengal said:

There are compelling arguments for both sides. On the one hand, I've never been impressed with Dre so I say cut him, especially since I'm sick of seeing him celebrate after a run of the mill play. On the other hand, is there anyone better out there to replace him? If not, keep him for now and hope the young CBs develop. I think a lot of the problem last year, especially at the beginning of the year, is that the defense couldn't pick up Austin's defense. To me, they just looked lost, especially in the secondary. Maybe with a new DC and a new scheme, the defense overall will look better this year. 

This one will clap harder and scream louder. That is, unless he dies of a stroke first

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Not this season. Too many other needs to create a new one. Dre’s deficiency’s can be minimized if our new DC will match up CBs. 

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21 minutes ago, Jason said:

Not this season. Too many other needs to create a new one. Dre’s deficiency’s can be minimized if our new DC will match up CBs. 

Agreed. This becomes the age old matter of: if you rid yourself of him, who fills his spot? And, in doing so, do you necessarily create a void not easily filled with at least a similar caliber player?

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2 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

This one will clap harder and scream louder. That is, unless he dies of a stroke first

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If he screams at anyone at all, it would be a refreshing change. 

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21 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

Yeah...just look at the rapt attention he was getting on the Louisville bench. 

I'm guessing you were never a big Bob Huggins fan?

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Keep him only if he cuts his hair. That way I don't have to see it flopping around as he is arguing not getting a call after getting beat for a 35 yd. pass completion. 

 

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2 hours ago, spicoli said:

I'm guessing you were never a big Bob Huggins fan?

Loved him. Still do. But he probably takes nitrates or beta blockers. 

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Why not?  You can find an equivalent replacement player in FA for a fraction of the cost, or maybe even an upgrade.  What's the going rate for arguing with a ref after a TD pass?

 

Never been a fan of Pacman Jr.  Seems like addition by subtraction even aside from him being grossly overpaid.

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16 hours ago, T-Dub said:

Why not?  You can find an equivalent replacement player in FA for a fraction of the cost, or maybe even an upgrade.  What's the going rate for arguing with a ref after a TD pass?

 

Never been a fan of Pacman Jr.  Seems like addition by subtraction even aside from him being grossly overpaid.

I don't really believe this statement.  Not saying Dre is all that but FA corners are not cheap, even the average ones. 

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