sparky151 Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 If another team wants to take on Jonah's salary, I'd expect he'll be traded. He's not a great fit at RT and the Collins/Carman combo is adequate. I also wouldn't be surprised if the team used an early draft pick on a RT and let Collins go as well. It frees up 19 mil in cap space to move on from both Jonah and Lael. That's a significant contribution toward the Burrow (or more likely Higgins) extensions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 If the Bengals can come out of the draft with Dawand Jones and Darnell Washington we would be much better on the oline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 Both Washington and Jones might be available at 28 but neither is likely to be on the board at 60. We'd have to move up in round 2 to get the other one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 6 hours ago, sparky151 said: He's (JW) not a great fit at RT and the Collins/Carman combo is adequate. Definitely agree with the first part but have my doubts about either of the remaining guys being capable. Think Ford is now in the mix there as a plan C or D with the hope being they land a starter in the draft that will outperform all of them in TC. Sure is nice to have some options though, ain't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 3 hours ago, sparky151 said: Both Washington and Jones might be available at 28 but neither is likely to be on the board at 60. We'd have to move up in round 2 to get the other one. I agree and would totally be on board with that, imagine those big monsters protecting the edges in pass pro and coming down hill on run plays....me likey... I would trade back and take Jones then trade up to take Washington... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 19 hours ago, sparky151 said: If another team wants to take on Jonah's salary, I'd expect he'll be traded. He's not a great fit at RT and the Collins/Carman combo is adequate. I also wouldn't be surprised if the team used an early draft pick on a RT and let Collins go as well. It frees up 19 mil in cap space to move on from both Jonah and Lael. That's a significant contribution toward the Burrow (or more likely Higgins) extensions. I am not at all confident in that. Don't trust either of those guys and neither should the Bengals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 15 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: I am not at all confident in that. Don't trust either of those guys and neither should the Bengals. When we sign extentions for Higgins/Burrow though - the cap hit kicks in in 2024 does it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: When we sign extentions for Higgins/Burrow though - the cap hit kicks in in 2024 does it not? Their signing bonuses will be prorated over the first 5 years so 1/5th will hit the cap for 2023. So if Burrow gets a 50 mil signing bonus, then his 2023 cap number will increase by 10 mil, other things being equal. There are ways to avoid that and work around it if desired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 Forgot to say that Peter King seemed to think there will be a market for Jonah and the Bengals will get a 3rd or 4th rounder for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Forgot to say that Peter King seemed to think there will be a market for Jonah and the Bengals will get a 3rd or 4th rounder for him. So do I.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 41 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: So do I.. That's about what we would get as a comp pick if he left via FA, so that's pretty fair compensation... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 29 minutes ago, spicoli said: Depending on how serious the offers are, nothing less than a 3rd, and if you can try to get a 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRAPradio Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 39 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Depending on how serious the offers are, nothing less than a 3rd, and if you can try to get a 2nd. Would you rather have a 3rd or a 4th and a 5th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, WRAPradio said: Would you rather have a 3rd or a 4th and a 5th? I'd rather have a 2nd But a higher draft pick IMO is always worth more than 2 of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, spicoli said: Blah blah blah... until they put their draft picks where their mouthes are. (Clarification: NOT a shot or criticism of you but the article. Good catch and thanks for posting) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Mike Brown should announce the price is a 2nd rd pick and he will take nothing less. And believe me, the entire league knows after Palmer, that Mikey doesn't blink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 8 minutes ago, BlackJesus said: Mike Brown should announce the price is a 2nd rd pick and he will take nothing less. And believe me, the entire league knows after Palmer, that Mikey doesn't blink. In other words, we are stuck with a 12 Million Dollar Injury Prone Backup 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 46 minutes ago, High School Harry said: In other words, we are stuck with a 12 Million Dollar Injury Prone Backup No.. Bengals wont demand a second.. A 3rd would be good along with his salary off the books... To rid themselves of Williams and Collins contracts would give them space for Tee Higgins signing. That should be their goal thru all this.. Would you rather have Williams/Collins or Higgins for the future?... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Yeah, Bengals shouldn't be inflexible here. Maybe offer to pay some of Jonah's salary if we get a better draft pick. Let him negotiate an extension with his preferred destination, etc. Let's move things along and part amicably. The cap relief is the main thing and the pick is gravy. If we trade Jonah, draft a RT and RB early and cut Collins and Mixon, we'd have freed up over 26 mil in cap space to add to our current 17 mil. That's probably enough to re-sign Apple, Flowers, Moreau, and extend Burrow, Higgins, and Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 53 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Yeah, Bengals shouldn't be inflexible here. Maybe offer to pay some of Jonah's salary if we get a better draft pick. Let him negotiate an extension with his preferred destination, etc. Let's move things along and part amicably. The cap relief is the main thing and the pick is gravy. If we trade Jonah, draft a RT and RB early and cut Collins and Mixon, we'd have freed up over 26 mil in cap space to add to our current 17 mil. That's probably enough to re-sign Apple, Flowers, Moreau, and extend Burrow, Higgins, and Wilson. Yeah I'd consider paying some of the salary for a higher pick as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griever Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 A Bengals/Bills trade is about as likely as a Bengals/Chiefs trade. They are championship competitors. Too much risk involved trading with each otherwhen there are 29 other teams out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 I’m on board with moving Jonah for a Day 2 pick. Possibly a 3rd that could become a 2nd based off performance/playing time. It could also require the Bengals to pick up part of his salary, like the Texans just did in trading Cooks. It would be a win/win for Jonah and the team. With Brown at LT, I actually think a draft pick and extra cap space would be more valuable than keeping him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: I’m on board with moving Jonah for a Day 2 pick. Possibly a 3rd that could become a 2nd based off performance/playing time… Hopefully it’s a pick in the 2023 draft. A pick that can change based upon performance/playing time would have to be in the 2024 draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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