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1 hour ago, UncleEarl said:

There is now practically no way you can have a top 5 QB and a top 5 WR.

 

You can have both. But the Chiefs view Kelce as their top WR. The issue in KC was that you can't afford 2 top 5 WR. 

 

The Bengals will be able to afford Burrow and Chase. Just not Higgins also. 

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Fuckem. Let this shit all blow up. We're in the catbird seat. Why not just be the standard and reshape the league as others try to capture what we did and adjust accordingly. I fear no one. Make the league over correct and we buy low with whats left over. Iso the players we want taking the road less travelled so others have to spend big to catch us. 

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1 hour ago, BlackJesus said:

 

You can have both. But the Chiefs view Kelce as their top WR. The issue in KC was that you can't afford 2 top 5 WR. 

 

The Bengals will be able to afford Burrow and Chase. Just not Higgins also. 

 

They should be able to afford Tee as well. He's not a top 5 WR, merely a very good one. By the time he comes up for a new deal, we might have moved on from Boyd. That's why WR is a Bengals need in this draft which is pretty deep at the position. 

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Does anyone here think that Chase isn’t the best WR in the NFL? He didn’t play competitive football for how long? Did whatever he felt like on the football field at the highest level regardless.

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Right now - yeah, Chase is probably the top WR in the NFL.  He's going to continue to make a lot of people look really dumb.  People nationally are going to downplay him because Bengals.  We should all be used to that though.

 

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The amazing thing about the Bengals, is if in an imaginary world you made me an NFL owner, and said ... ok we are redrafting all the teams from scratch, and you get the first 2 picks from any player in the NFL .... Burrow and Chase would be my choices.

 

And that's not even me being a homer. Based on age, talent, chemistry they would be justified in going #1 and 2. And the crazy thing is I don't even think I would be the only owner thinking the same thing ... the owner picking #3 would be like "Shit, that's who I wanted". 

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57 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

 

There isn't a single other WR I would take over him, if starting a team right now from scratch.

same.. there might be some more accomplished, but this kid is young and already one of the best in the NFL... 

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1 hour ago, Jamie_B said:

For those worried about we wont keep Chase and Joe. Remember the cap goes up in 2 years.

Plus we dont know what these specific players are looking for. They may take the home team discount, perhaps with more guaranteed money, in order to play together and allow the team to keep building. 

 

 

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13 hours ago, UncleEarl said:

The thing about WRs is they don’t have a real long shelf life.  They are at their best for 5-7 years. I can see why KC doesn’t want to sign Hill at this point in his career. 

I think they'd have liked to keep Hill but like others said its difficult to keep top 5 QB plus 2 top 5 receivers..

 

They also have Hunter Renfro and now 2 1st rounders to upgrade the team .

Raiders on the right. track to playoffs..

 

So is everyone else in the AFCW..

 

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5 hours ago, Montana Bengal said:

 

 

This doesn't sound good.

 

2 hours ago, sparky151 said:

The Houston grand jury cleared Watson on the 9 counts there. The other one was in another county so a different grand jury.

IF they do anything, and a big "if" at that, it won't happen until after the season.

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Watson is now clear of criminal investigation. The fact 2 different grand juries looked at the accusations should indicate they are pretty weak and without much support. Grand jury proceedings are secret so it's not clear how hard the prosecutors tried, but the standard for an indictment is pretty low, just "probable cause" or more likely than not. That's similar to the "preponderance of the evidence" standard for civil trials. 

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18 hours ago, sparky151 said:

The Houston grand jury cleared Watson on the 9 counts there. The other one was in another county so a different grand jury.

Brazoria County is an interesting place. About as night/day different from Harris County overall. However, the northern tier of the county--the vast majority of the population--is basically suburban Houston--and a lot of Harris County expats have moved to Pearland and Shadow Creek Ranch for the taxes and cheaper housing. 

 

Not sure how they pull Grand Juries in TX, but if it is random, Watson has decent odds. 

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The Browns may have to eventually cut Baker Mayfield, and then watch him land in Pittsburgh - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

 

In 2017, the Browns traded for Texans quarterback Brock Osweiler.  The Browns got a second-round pick for their trouble, since they were taking a $16 million guaranteed salary away from Houston’s books.
 

Five years later, the Browns may need to apply similar creativity to the $18.8 million guaranteed salary owed to quarterback Baker Mayfield. Even then, it may not be enough to keep them from having to just cut him.

 

It recently was reported that the Browns don’t want a first-round pick for Mayfield. Hopefully, they don’t want a second or a third or a fourth, either. With few if any teams clamoring for the No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 draft, the Browns may have to accept a low-round pick at best in order to dump his salary.

 

At some point, the Browns may actually have to attach a low-round pick in order to move on from Mayfield and most if not all of his contract. (The Browns may have to pay a large chunk of the $18.8 million to make it happen.)

 

Everyone knows the Browns are done with Mayfield. And the one place he wanted to go — the Colts — didn’t want him. Even if, say, the Seahawks or the Lions or the Falcon express interest, Mayfield could make it clear he’s not interested in playing for any of those teams.

 

He has a hammer in this situation. He’s making $18.8 million, no matter what. He could force the Browns to ultimately release him if he makes it clear that he ultimately will refuse to embrace a new team.

 

The Browns surely don’t want to do that. For starters, he’d make a beeline for Pittsburgh, which would pay him a one-year minimum salary of $1.035 million and stick the Browns with the $17.765 million balance. Instantly, he’d become the best option on the Stealers’ depth chart.

 

He’d be humbled. He’d be motivated. He’d be coachable by Mike Tomlin, who has a gift for keeping difficult personalities pointed in the right direction.

 

For the Browns, the challenge becomes finding a team that will trade for Mayfield, and a team to which Mayfield will gladly accept a trade. Even without a no-trade clause, teams won’t be inclined to trade for a quarterback who doesn’t want to be there.

 

Ultimately, the Browns may have no choice but to cut Mayfield. They may need to accept that it’s one of the collateral costs of trading for Deshaun Watson before resolving Mayfield’s status.

 

It could be a very costly collateral cost. In what will be Mayfield’s last game for the Browns, he witnessed the manner in which Pittsburgh embraced Ben Roethlisberger in what was his last game for the Stealers. With that defense and running game and coaching staff, Mayfield could eventually wrap a 10-year career in Pittsburgh with a similar sendoff.

 

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23 minutes ago, Griever said:

The Browns may have to eventually cut Baker Mayfield, and then watch him land in Pittsburgh - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

 

In 2017, the Browns traded for Texans quarterback Brock Osweiler.  The Browns got a second-round pick for their trouble, since they were taking a $16 million guaranteed salary away from Houston’s books.
 

Five years later, the Browns may need to apply similar creativity to the $18.8 million guaranteed salary owed to quarterback Baker Mayfield. Even then, it may not be enough to keep them from having to just cut him.

 

It recently was reported that the Browns don’t want a first-round pick for Mayfield. Hopefully, they don’t want a second or a third or a fourth, either. With few if any teams clamoring for the No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 draft, the Browns may have to accept a low-round pick at best in order to dump his salary.

 

At some point, the Browns may actually have to attach a low-round pick in order to move on from Mayfield and most if not all of his contract. (The Browns may have to pay a large chunk of the $18.8 million to make it happen.)

 

Everyone knows the Browns are done with Mayfield. And the one place he wanted to go — the Colts — didn’t want him. Even if, say, the Seahawks or the Lions or the Falcon express interest, Mayfield could make it clear he’s not interested in playing for any of those teams.

 

He has a hammer in this situation. He’s making $18.8 million, no matter what. He could force the Browns to ultimately release him if he makes it clear that he ultimately will refuse to embrace a new team.

 

The Browns surely don’t want to do that. For starters, he’d make a beeline for Pittsburgh, which would pay him a one-year minimum salary of $1.035 million and stick the Browns with the $17.765 million balance. Instantly, he’d become the best option on the Stealers’ depth chart.

 

He’d be humbled. He’d be motivated. He’d be coachable by Mike Tomlin, who has a gift for keeping difficult personalities pointed in the right direction.

 

For the Browns, the challenge becomes finding a team that will trade for Mayfield, and a team to which Mayfield will gladly accept a trade. Even without a no-trade clause, teams won’t be inclined to trade for a quarterback who doesn’t want to be there.

 

Ultimately, the Browns may have no choice but to cut Mayfield. They may need to accept that it’s one of the collateral costs of trading for Deshaun Watson before resolving Mayfield’s status.

 

It could be a very costly collateral cost. In what will be Mayfield’s last game for the Browns, he witnessed the manner in which Pittsburgh embraced Ben Roethlisberger in what was his last game for the Stealers. With that defense and running game and coaching staff, Mayfield could eventually wrap a 10-year career in Pittsburgh with a similar sendoff.

 

People might laugh at this scenario...but personally I would rather have Baker out of the AFC altogether--and certainly NOT in Pittsburgh. 

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