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Commish has to decide and its a tough call.

Either call game a no contest and winning % decides seeds..

 

Dont see how Bills would forfeit as the Bengals called it quits too.

Replaying is allmost impossible .

The NFL is Not moving back a week..

 

Percentage seedings seem the best route

 

 

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3 hours ago, BBR said:

My guess is it ends up being a forfeited game by the Bills.

In a perfect world, something in the rules concerning catastrophic injury would have already been there. As it is, it is not. 
 

The only areas in the rules concerning forfeiture, revolve around some sort of a wrong-doing team doing something against the rules. 
 

With all this said—and always considering the tragedy experienced—the simple common floor is that the Bengals should not be penalized for this game being suspended/cancelled. They would have taken the field again—even if (understandably) the Bills would not have. As it turns out, neither had to take the field, and the league suspended the game. But why would the non-involved team have to sacrifice a half a game? 
 

A Buffalo forfeiture is the only equitable solution to this insanely tragic and unexplainable event. 

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Another shit sandwich from Roger and Company.  My guess is the NFL front office told the refs to give the teams a short time to warm up and start play.

Both teams balked at that and now the NFL front office has no idea what to do.  As usual they are waiting to see which way the wind is blowing before deciding.

 

 

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7 hours ago, BengalFanInTO said:


Interesting idea. Numerically, giving three teams a bye wouldn’t work as the following week there would be 5 teams remaining. 

 

That was my first thought. If 1-2-3 get byes, that leaves 4 to play 7 and 5 to play 6. After those two games, there are five teams remaining. Then what?

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22 minutes ago, westside bengal said:

Another shit sandwich from Roger and Company.  My guess is the NFL front office told the refs to give the teams a short time to warm up and start play.

Both teams balked at that and now the NFL front office has no idea what to do.  As usual they are waiting to see which way the wind is blowing before deciding.

 

 

FWIW, the NFL front office, notably Troy Vincent, has denied those allegations and states that the NFL has no idea where/why/how the TV sportscasters came up with the "5 minutes to warm up" thing.  Of course, the NFL can say whatever they want at this point, so take it for what its worth.

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Good bye to all of my good friends here on the board.

I will miss you all and this goofy place.  I am sure this will get me banned.

However...

Ugly precedent (of sorts) from 1971

https://www.clickorlando.com/sports/2023/01/03/remembering-chuck-hughes-the-only-nfl-player-to-die-on-the-field-during-a-game/

Player died on the field.  They finished the game.  Of course they did not have the medical advances or contemporary football technology

or rules to protect the players.  I am NOT suggesting the game should have been finished but I did think WTF when the Bills D went back on the field.

Moot point.

 

When the game was suspended then postponed, Bengals were ahead 7-3.

We won.  No ties, forfeits, treating the game as if it did not exist... In football

the team with the most points at the end of the game wins.

Game ended with 5 minutes and change in the first quarter with the Bengals ahead.

We win.

Standings going into Sunday:

Chiefs 13-3 (with a loss to us)

Bills 12--4 (with a loss to us)

Us 12-4 (with wins over Chiefs and Bills)

 

Chiefs lose Saturday, Bills lose Sunday

We win Sunday we are the number one seed.

 

Everything balances out as far as the current playoffs.

The Bills v Bengals was an official game, although abbreviated, and we won.

 

The tragedy and the young man's life are first and foremost, of course, but

as far as NFL football and its playoff structure, the Bengals won a very ugly

(ugliest ever at least since 1971) game.

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10 minutes ago, High School Harry said:

Good bye to all of my good friends here on the board.

I will miss you all and this goofy place.  I am sure this will get me banned.

However...

Ugly precedent (of sorts) from 1971

https://www.clickorlando.com/sports/2023/01/03/remembering-chuck-hughes-the-only-nfl-player-to-die-on-the-field-during-a-game/

Player died on the field.  They finished the game.  Of course they did not have the medical advances or contemporary football technology

or rules to protect the players.  I am NOT suggesting the game should have been finished but I did think WTF when the Bills D went back on the field.

Moot point.

 

When the game was suspended then postponed, Bengals were ahead 7-3.

We won.  No ties, forfeits, treating the game as if it did not exist... In football

the team with the most points at the end of the game wins.

Game ended with 5 minutes and change in the first quarter with the Bengals ahead.

We win.

Standings going into Sunday:

Chiefs 13-3 (with a loss to us)

Bills 12--4 (with a loss to us)

Us 12-4 (with wins over Chiefs and Bills)

 

Chiefs lose Saturday, Bills lose Sunday

We win Sunday we are the number one seed.

 

Everything balances out as far as the current playoffs.

The Bills v Bengals was an official game, although abbreviated, and we won.

 

The tragedy and the young man's life are first and foremost, of course, but

as far as NFL football and its playoff structure, the Bengals won a very ugly

(ugliest ever at least since 1971) game.

I actually agree, BJ made the same argument last night and I think it's the most fair thing for all. I actually think the Bills should come out and, if they don't want to use the word forfeit, they should concede the loss.

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26 minutes ago, esjbh2 said:

FWIW, the NFL front office, notably Troy Vincent, has denied those allegations and states that the NFL has no idea where/why/how the TV sportscasters came up with the "5 minutes to warm up" thing.  Of course, the NFL can say whatever they want at this point, so take it for what its worth.

 

I don't think the teams started warming up again to play just on their own initiative. Obviously neither of them were mentally prepared to continue the game.  Maybe it was a rogue ref or maybe Troy Vincent is lying through his teeth. Either one seems plausible.

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to give everyone ( refs/players coaches /league ) the benefit of doubt, after any stoppage of a game , they will allow the players to warm up.  this was a 1st time event, (CPR on the field)  i am sure after the field of play was cleared, someone just did the normal routine of giving the the signal of the normal 5 min warmup.  i doubt it was malicious or disrespectful, more so as when people go through a traumatic experience,  most times repetition  kicks in while they try to process what they just went through.  the biggest thing is that even if misteps were started , someone spoke up and then everyone followed the more appropriate advice.       

  

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Another secondary thingy...waaaaayyyyy secondary of course.

 

I keep seeing all these advertisements regarding signup bonuses for betting sites which are now newly legal for Ohio residents.  So...just curious how that is all going to shake out.  I'm sure there were TONS of new betting signups in OHIO, and I'm sure there were LOTS of those folks who took the opportunity to bet on the Bengals/Bills game as their first bet.  I wonder how the betting houses are going to handle it...obviously it depends on how the NFL ultimately rules on the game, but specifically wondering about if they call it a non-game?  They just cancel the bets on the game?  Yeah, I know, not important in the big picture, but the ads just got my mind wondering.

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Do we really need to blame someone?  I know in the moment I said something about "what asshole wants this game to resume."  After some time to consider I don't see where anyone was trying to do anything but make some kind of sense out of a horrible situation.  The refs and the coaches were  talking a lot.  I'm sure they were all in shock like we were and only knew what had been done in the past.  After a long game stoppage they have a warm up period.  I think they all came to their senses and did the right thing.  No need to vilify anyone here. 

 

Once they decide what to do about the postponed game....well, there will be some serious vilification going on then.

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8 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

I don't think the teams started warming up again to play just on their own initiative. Obviously neither of them were mentally prepared to continue the game.  Maybe it was a rogue ref or maybe Troy Vincent is lying through his teeth. Either one seems plausible.

The Bills D line did run out briefly, turned around and ran back off.

I thought Joe Burrow was throwing to burn off nervous energy and thought nothing of it, did not see it as really warming up.

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7 hours ago, esjbh2 said:

Another secondary thingy...waaaaayyyyy secondary of course.

 

I keep seeing all these advertisements regarding signup bonuses for betting sites which are now newly legal for Ohio residents.  So...just curious how that is all going to shake out.  I'm sure there were TONS of new betting signups in OHIO, and I'm sure there were LOTS of those folks who took the opportunity to bet on the Bengals/Bills game as their first bet.  I wonder how the betting houses are going to handle it...obviously it depends on how the NFL ultimately rules on the game, but specifically wondering about if they call it a non-game?  They just cancel the bets on the game?  Yeah, I know, not important in the big picture, but the ads just got my mind wondering.

I was at Hard Rock Casino January 1st and LOTS of people sports betting and I'm sure many on the Bengals and/or playoffs.

Of course, as previously reported, Pete Rose placed the Honorary First Bet on the Reds to win the World Series.

But the betting angle... I omitted that from my rant above but you can bet that aspect has to have some subtle influence on

the NFL's decision about the game and if it is wrong, Roger Godell and Troy Vincent will be sleeping with the fishes.

 

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What are financial implications of not completing the game.

1) Do fans get their ticket money refunded?

2) Do the players get paid for the game not played?

How much money could the Bengals ownership lose if the answers to the first two questions are YES? The game was suspended in the first quarter with an overpacked crowd, so they couldn't have made much revenue with concessions and merchandising. They are ranked as the poorest ownership in the league financially, which is why they sold naming rights to the stadium and other things as well. All so they could afford a monster contract extension with Burrow, and retain as many of their core players as possible in an exploding salary climate. So now what?

This isn't like baseball where you have 81 home games in the regular season. 16 NFL teams will play 9 home games this season, 15 teams will play 8, Cincinnati may end up only playing 7 home games. Assuming the league doesn't help them absorb the cost of losing so much revenue, how much would the total cancellation of the home game with Buffalo set the organization back?

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The Bills should forfeit for the following reasons:

1. Since they clearly didn't want to continue

2. Care more about their brother than the game

3. They were losing the game when it ended

4. Left Cincinnati the following day, thus making it impossible to finish the game this week.

 

It was a tragic accident, but in my extremely unpopular opinion it's way to premature to say this was caused by playing football. There have been numerous examples of people, seemingly healthy, having sudden heart attacks in all walks of life. Based on what transpired during that play there is little evidence that Hamlin's condition was caused by the tackle of Higgins. 

 

Hamlin could have a family history of heart attacks, murmurs, HCM, etc. His health information is not publicly available and there's to much unknown to say what exactly happened. I do know this has happened before, specifically a NBA player named Reggie Lewis for the Celtics died on the court in a very similar situation. 

 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/sudden_death_of_baltimore_basketball_player_reggie_lewis_spurs_coach_to_screen_other_young_players_for_heart_defects

 

Apparently, African American athletes are at higher risk for this heart condition. It's unfortunate but rare and you can't blame anyone. 

 

The Bills have to get their minds right and move forward, regardless of what happens to Hamlin. If they can't then that's their problem, not the rest of the league and the Bengals should not be punished because of it.

 

Like I said, not the most popular opinion but I think the more time passes and more information is uncovered and revealed, it makes the most sense. I've seen a lot of overly emotional responses on TV and social media from former and current players, which I completely understand. But once the emotions subside you have to move forward in a logical manner. 

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There is no elegant solution to the game result. Nor should we look for one. The human tragedy outweighs any concept of game result fairness. 

 

The league will have to come to some determination and teams will simply have to move on from that point forward. It's not like a team will want to use this event as a n excuse.

 

 

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3 hours ago, High School Harry said:

The Bills D line did run out briefly, turned around and ran back off.

I thought Joe Burrow was throwing to burn off nervous energy and thought nothing of it, did not see it as really warming up.

 

One of the Bills players was getting them fired up on the sideline with a pregame-style pep talk before the coaches had their meeting. Helmets on, pushing and shoving, all that.

 

They were preparing to play, for whatever reason 

 

Also the TV crew didn't pull the 5 minutes stuff out of thin air. Someone told them that.

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https://twitter.com/Tickets_Buffalo/status/1610476277160636418?s=20&t=4pxPRjBJYgRLDqtBgMmXZg

 

Nothing official, but after this week's games, if there's a seeding conflict, they're looking at using a random number generator to determine seeding (for those that can't click the link to the audio)

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